Anything You Can Do….

….I can do just as well and will have to do in less than 66 minutes before I receive my second yellow.

This is getting to be great theatre.

Herculez Gomez nets two in 2/3 of the game time. Both legit; no complaints from TSG on the lack of defense on these tallies.

Herculez….Gomez: (0:05 and 0:50)

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31 responses to this post.

  1. Posted by MichaelN on 2010/04/18 at 2:07 PM

    This is getting ridiculous….

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  2. Posted by Tom M on 2010/04/18 at 2:10 PM

    I just saw this somewhere else and was going to post it here. I will be very surprised if Buddle and Gomez aren’t on the 35 man provisional roster. You would also have to think one of them has a very good chance of making the plane. Its hard to ignore in form goal scorers no matter what league they are doing it in. Personally I like Buddle’s game more and think he fits better into the scheme than Gomez….. I also just saw Fernando Torres is out six weeks. Wonder if thats enough time to make it back for the wc. Tough break for Torres.

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  3. Posted by GeorgeCross on 2010/04/18 at 2:23 PM

    Don’t feel too sorry for Spain – it’s not like they don’t have a good squad!

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  4. Posted by Hercules on 2010/04/18 at 3:01 PM

    I think that both get on the 30-man roster, and one, if not both make the 23. It depends on how they look in camp and in the friendlies. Even including them, I had a hard time making it to 30. I must have forgotten a couple of people. I feel that they should trade off starts for the 2 friendlies here in Philly and Connecticut. Them as well as Bornstein/Pearce, especially if Onweyu isn’t fully fit. Do you see a potential 30-man callup for Lichaj? He is a great potential for ’14 and ’18, but since LB (I think that is his position) is our largest, chronic weakness, do you see him potentially contributing this year? Who else would be included in the 30 to trade out for him? Sacha? Adu? Johnson? (All are out currently in my 30)

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    • There is no way they both make the 23

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    • Posted by GeorgeCross on 2010/04/18 at 5:11 PM

      Hercules, don’t you think that’s too much of a gamble to take both? I agree with Evan’s sentiment on this occasion.

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      • Posted by Hercules on 2010/04/18 at 5:34 PM

        I agree, it is a gamble. But, if they both impress in the camp/friendlies, Charlie doesn’t make it back in time (heaven forbid), and Ching doesn’t make it back from the hamstring, who else do you put up there? Casey? Johnson? Rolfe? The only other possibility in my mind is to put Dempsey in a withdrawn forward role, and put Holden in on the wing, but he (Holden) might not be fully back either. I don’t see both of them in the 23 as a likely or even preferable scenario, but it has to be a possibility depending on who comes back healthy and in form. (Which I don’t think Beasley is, based on his lack of playing time, unless you want to put Bedoya in that spot, replacing Dempsey if Holden isn’t back)

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        • Posted by Hercules on 2010/04/18 at 6:36 PM

          Here is where I am at with the pool (planning on taking 4 Forwards, 8 Midfielders, 8 Defenders+3=23)

          Forwards: Altidore, Davies (i), Ching(i), Buddle (test), Gomez (test), Dempsey, Casey

          So, if, Davies and Ching are not back, then, whichever/both of Buddle/Gomez that impress are in the 23, followed by Dempsey moving up. If both fizzle, and neither Davies/Ching are back from injury, then Casey is in the 23.

          Midfield: Donovan, Dempsey, Bradley, Edu, Holden (i), Feilhaber, Clark, Bedoya, Beasley, Torres

          So, Beasley goes if Holden is still hurt (unless something changes in his PT). And Torres is in the 23 if Dempsey is moved up to Forward.

          Defenders: Bocanegra, Onweyu (i), Demerit, Spector, Cherundolo, Pearce, Bornstein, Goodson, Gonzales

          The only scenario here is that if Onweyu is not back, then Gonzales steps into the 23.

          And of course Howard, Hahnemann, and Guzan (in that order at the moment, again PT for Hahnemann is the difference)

          All of the scenario alternates (Gomez, Casey, Beasley, Torres, and Gonzales) are in the 30. That leaves open 2 more spots, if B.B. wants to call in the full 30. At this point, I am throwing darts, but it would be interesting to add Lichaj to the call up, and another midfielder, likely Beckerman or Kljestan.

          Am I missing anyone obvious, because that would add some wrinkles to the math. I guess the next 7 (those that just missed the 30) would include the likes of Johnson, Rolfe, Kljestan (assuming Beckerman in the 30, otherwise switched), Rogers, Marshall, Hejduk, and Gaven.

          Thoughts? Comments? Suggestions? Need explanations for my decisions?

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        • Posted by matthewsf on 2010/04/18 at 7:06 PM

          Hercules — I think you’re going to need to find a way to fit Michael Bradley into your squad. :>

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        • Posted by Hercules on 2010/04/18 at 7:16 PM

          I think he is right there listed 3rd under midfield, unless I’m being blind/substituting names, it’s been a long day.

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    • Posted by Pig Benis on 2010/04/18 at 7:30 PM

      Lichaj played RB for Aston Villa reserves.

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      • Posted by Hercules on 2010/04/18 at 7:33 PM

        Ok, I wasn’t sure. For some reason I thought LB, maybe a combination of hopeful thinking and selective memory. And elsewhere, I’ve seen him listed as a midfielder while described in the article as a defender. (thank you soccernet)

        But even still, who else would you include in the 30, if you wanted to wait until next cycle for him?

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  5. Posted by Joseph on 2010/04/18 at 5:21 PM

    Did some dude just curl in the corner kick? That was sick

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  6. Posted by Antonio H. on 2010/04/18 at 5:28 PM

    Wait, that guy just scored from a corner kick though…..

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  7. Posted by Gino on 2010/04/18 at 8:26 PM

    As weak as our forward situation is, I think Gomez and Buddle should both be in the 30. Whether one or both make the 23 depends on Bradley’s thinking and how well they perform in camp and/or in friendlies. I’d be happy to see Altidore and Dempsey as our starting forwards. After that it’s pretty much a toss up. Buddle and Gomez have the advantage of being in good form but the disadvantage of little to no international experience. I’d love to see Davies on the roster but only if he can truly make an impact. Until I see that he’s playing again for Sochaux, I’d rather not count on him.

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  8. Yellow was a bit harsh ehh?

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  9. Posted by matthewsf on 2010/04/18 at 8:51 PM

    To echo Evan’s sentiment from above while Gomez and Buddle could both make the 30, I believe only one is going to head to RSA.

    It’s kind of a funny situation. Striker is probably the one position where the lack of reps with your teammates is not as critical. Would Bob Bradley say, consider taking someone like, Eric Lichaj in the back when Boca or Gooch or whomever didn’t know what to expect tactically from Lichaj? Probably not.

    The flip side is on a team–as with business–you can only take so many risks. John O’Brien in 2006 was a poor one by Bruce Arena for example.

    Up top you’re going to need players that need to know the team concept beyond Altidore. Someone who understands the USMNT striker position on *DEFENSE as well as offense for example.

    That means at least one more role is going to need to go to the likes of Conor Casey, Brian Ching or Robbie Findley.

    That leaves at max two roles for the loser of Casey, Ching Findley plus Gomez, Buddle and Davies. And that’s if the US even takes the customary four strikers.

    Like I said above…going to be good theatre for the next thirty days for sure.

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    • Posted by Hercules on 2010/04/18 at 8:58 PM

      I think the current front-runner of Casey/Ching/Findley is Casey. I think that Ching would be far and above the favorite in this group if he hadn’t gotten hurt. And not only has Findley not shown us much in the friendlies, but he has been relegated to the bench and not been very effective so far in the MLS season. (from what I have seen and heard)

      I think that if neither Gomez or Buddle impress in camp/friendlies, then the fourth striker would be Dempsey. I would prefer having Dempsey up top with Holden in his spot than a second person from the Ching/Casey/Findley grouping. All of this depends on the recovery situations of Davies and Holden.

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  10. How exactly is taking Casey or Findley any less of a risk than taking Buddle or Gomez?

    I agree that Casey will probably go because Bradley needs his target-striker binky but it’s not as if he’s shown he’s capable of scoring at the international level. His night in Honduras is looking a lot like Klejstan’s outing vs Sweden: he’s getting a lot of caps out of a one night to remember.

    Casey’s 19 caps have yielded those 2 goals, exclusively. Findley has 3 caps and no goals. Buddle and Gomez have a total of 3 caps and no goals. Wasn’t not taking a risk and selecting John O’Brien based on reputation over form Arena’s real 2006 mistake?

    Given there’s almost a month of training before the World Cup, i think this is one of the few opportunities for a new player to get integrated into the national side. It’s definitely a much better opportunity than when you’ve got 2 training sessions before a midweek qualifier. Bob will know after a couple a week of training whether or not they’re a good fit so I’d have no problem with taking the two in-form goalscorers.

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    • Posted by matthewsf on 2010/04/19 at 9:52 AM

      Less of a risk on Casey and Findley because of the number of observations.

      With Casey and Findley (and their uneven play) Bradley knows what he has and further he’s indoctrined both with his “game points”– what he favors and what he doesn’t.

      With both Gomez and Buddle–and they could both go on form for sure–you have to hope that one’s time is enough to get with the team program.

      Let’s take this example, Buddle got in Borchers face–unnecessarily–Saturday night and Gomez actually got an early shower on discipline.

      The USMNT is going up against two teams: John Terry and England and to a greater extent Algeria and Belhadj who either are prone to goading the opposing player or in Algeria’s case prone to being dirty.

      At the very least Casey and Ching and Altidore for that matter have enough International caps to know when to push the physicality and when not to.

      Here’s another example….Buddle kept tracking back on Saturday (because he was “feeling the game”) and was out of position Saturday. In the Honduras friendly at HDC this was a big focus of BB in making sure that Findley and Cunningham were keeping shape.

      Anyway, both “could” make it…if Bradley feels that they have picked up the game plan–and this point, nobody has that visibility.

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      • Casey was selected because he was an in-form MLS goalscorer. He has 2 goals in 19 apps for the national side. Findley was also selected because he was an in-form MLS goalscorer. Now the in-form goalscorer American goalscorers in MLS and Mexico should not be selected because last season’s in-form MLS goalscorers have international experience? Nonsense.

        It’s not like we’re talking about displacing a proven international goalscorer with an unproven upstart. Casey has had one good match in Honduras but was absolutely appalling at the Confederations Cup and let Ching reclaim a spot with poor performances in subsequent qualifiers. At the higher level of competition he’s so slow that he never manages to get close enough to the play to rely on his “physical presence”.

        Findley has 1 more cap than Buddle and 2 more than Gomez: All of these guys are equally unproven but two of them seem to be in goalscoring form. Selecting Findley, last season’s in-form MLS goalscorer who was uncapped just a few months ago, is somehow less risky on the basis of now having those 3 caps on the basis of his MLS form? I don’t buy it. In those matches he’s showed that he’s quick, makes decent runs but has no ability to shoot, produce a final ball or hold-up the play to involve team-mates. The risk is that he’ll just offer more of the same.

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        • Posted by matthewsf on 2010/04/19 at 10:32 AM

          You’re missing the point Tuesday.

          Assuming the form of both of these strikers continues….

          And assuming they can pick up the playbook in 50 days….

          Then they both deserve the nod…or it would go against everything Bob Bradley has valued to date.

          Here’s another question. Do we really expect–can we really expect these guys right now …one eating up Mexico, the other the U.S…..to be just as proficient at the international level?

          Are we not already relying and expect Deuce, Donovan and Altidore to be the keys?

          Wasn’t it just a few months ago that the collective public opinion ebbed to Robbie Findley after Jeff Cunningham was the toast of message boards?

          My point is that I don’t want to anoint both of these players a spot in RSA until we’ve seen them in some May friendlies–that risk is too great.

          Here’s a follow-up…say Gomez performs like Findley has at the international level in May……who do you take?

          Well I guess that is Bob Bradley’s call.

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        • Yup, I agree with all that. We need to see if the in-form guys might add something in the May camp/friendlies, if they’re still firing a month from now, and “experience” is no reason not to bring them both if that’s the best option for the team. Get Casey, Findley, Gomez, Buddle, Rolfe into camp along with Altidore and Davies and let’s see what happens.

          I guess I just don’t think we should put too much value in the limited experience that someone like Findley has had. Especially when you’re talking about strikers that would probably be making contributions as substitutes – does experience matter more than the confidence that comes from scoring regularly?

          I like Findley and think he’s got some potential but it worries me that he’s not even playing regularly in MLS at the moment. While there were some positives, he was where attacks went to die against Holland. I guess I just don’t want to see Casey coming on when we’ve got 20 minutes and we need a goal to see us through the group stages.

          Performances otherwise being equal, I say Bob should go with what he sees that we don’t see.

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  11. Posted by Bob on 2010/04/19 at 7:43 AM

    How different will our WC squad look compared to our Confederations Cup? If you look at that squad, I think you can make the argument that BB will take 17-18 from that 23. Who is in question or not in the discussion anymore from that team: Wynne and Califf out replaced by Goodson and Dolo; Robles out replaced by Hahnemann; Adu, Kljestan (?), Feilhaber (?) out replaced by Bedoya, Edu, and Holden. The listed forwards for that team were: LD10, CC, Jozy, and Davies.

    I guess here is where the real theatre begins. Does BB really leave Casey at home for Buddle/Gomez? Does an oft-injured Ching have a shot anymore? To me, Buddle and Gomez may make the 30, but will only make the 23 if Casey and Davies are left off the team from last summer. Another scenario would be if Gooch cannot make it, then move Edu to CB (recent article on yanks abroad says he is willing to do it), then Dempsey/LD to MF, then you could get this at forward: Buddle, Gomez, Jozy, and Davies (are we the fans of the USMNT really comfortable with that?). Again, leaving Ching and Casey at home and no one really believes BB would ever do that to the MLS.

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    • Posted by GeorgeCross on 2010/04/19 at 7:59 AM

      I have a hypothetical question for people:

      Imagine Donovan’s form has been horrible after an unsuccessful loan stint at Everton and this spills over into the MLS, and the friendlies scheduled prior to the World Cup. Should Bradley take him? Do you go for somebody who’s proven at international level but is having a dip, or do you go for somebody who’s firing but unproven at the highest level? Now here’s a “form vs. repuation” question for you – but this time it concerns the darling of US football…

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      • Eliminate all discussion of the circumstances and for Donovan substitute “Gerrard” and you have your answer.

        Findley, Gomez and Buddle are all unproven at the highest level but Casey is more like disproven on the international level. There shouldn’t be much controversy about taking both the in form players over the two out-of-form players, depending on their chemistry with the team.

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        • Posted by GeorgeCross on 2010/04/19 at 10:31 AM

          He has been poor in a crap Liverpool side this season. He’ll make the squad and probably the starting team because he has produced under Capello. Would I be disappointed if he was dropped for Milner, Cole or Young? Nope.

          Point taken regarding unproven vs disproven.

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  12. Posted by kaya on 2010/04/19 at 11:01 AM

    Can someone tell me wtf that goal celebration Gomez does at 0:50 is about? Luca Toni (iirc, he used to score goals) used to do that goal celebration, and it drove me nuts then.
    I wouldn’t call the defense “rigorous”… and while harsh compared to a lot of non-calls, or usually PK’s awarded, that was a dive imo.

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