Davies Fitness Claims Denied

Update:

Via USSF:

“As we have always said, the coaching staff is still continuing to monitor Charlie’s progress and will make a determination on whether he will be invited into the pre-World Cup training camp.”

At this point, Charlie Davies has not been ruled out of the World Cup by US Soccer.

Via  Grant Wahl on Twitter from USSF:

• US trainer Ivan Pierra did meet with Charlie Davies over the past week in France. USSF spokesman said he did not know results of check-up.

A big thanks to FC Sochaux and their spokesman for getting back to us so quickly. Their revision:

(Note, we had a different comment up on TSG earlier that was stated to TSG in an unofficial capacity. We have revised to the following:)

FC Sochaux athletic trainer Cédric Blomme: “Charlie’s situation is encouraging. He makes progress everyday and that’s good. It keeps his hopes alive. We can’t say it’s impossible. It’s important for him and the team. The US Soccer Federation will publish a list with 30 players and maybe he will be on this list. We have to see how far he can come in his progress.”

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Thanks to TSG reader K-Mac for passing this story along earlier this morning.

The gist:

Charlie....pushing it....

An AP “source” source says medical staff at FC Sochaux comment that Charlie Davies fitness levels are not high enough to merit consideration for the USMNT World Cup roster.

Here’s the article in its entirety….I put in a request yesterday to follow up with Charlie.

US star Davies loses battle for World Cup fitness

(AFP) – 58 minutes ago

SOCHAUX, France — US striker Charlie Davies, seriously injured in a car crash in Washington last October, will not be fit to compete in this summer’s World Cup, medical staff at his French club Sochaux said Tuesday.

Davies had spoken of his desire to compete in South Africa, months after a deadly car crash seemed to have shattered his World Cup dreams.

The October 13 accident killed one passenger and left the 23-year-old Sochaux star with a broken leg, multiple facial fractures and a lacerated bladder. Doctors said he would be out of action for a year.

Davies will not be fit to return to team action for Sochaux before the end of the season, a team source said, adding that he needed more time to recover.

The club, who are sixth from the bottom of Ligue 1, have said they are counting on Davies for next season.

Davies scored two goals in six appearances for Sochaux before the crash.

Disclaimer Note:

Please remember, the FC Sochaux staff has a vested interest that Davies is back and healthy for the club, not international, team competition.

Still, not heartening news for your Tuesday morning.

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39 responses to this post.

  1. Posted by dude on 2010/05/04 at 5:52 AM

    It’s always been more likely that he won’t make the world cup, but I’m not taking this as definite. A few reasons (club vs. international) have already been suggested. But I also don’t think they are looking at how his fitness is right now, and not how fast or where it will be in weeks leading in. Just saying, I’m waiting to hear it from Bob and Charlie, not Sochaux’s staff.

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  2. Posted by KMac on 2010/05/04 at 6:05 AM

    Dude,
    I am with you. When I forwarded this story, I headlined the subject line with “say it isn’t so” – partly because of the smoke and mirror rhetoric coming from the FC Souchaux top brass previously and because I am still believing in CD9. Charlie’s tweet is upbeat still, and it ain’t over until Sweatpants sings.
    KMac

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  3. Posted by GeorgeCross on 2010/05/04 at 6:11 AM

    Over the last few weeks, we’ve increasingly talked about an 80% Davies is better than a 100% XYZ. So now begs another question: will Sochaux allow Davies to play for the USA at the World Cup if not 100% fit? As stated, there is a conflict of interest here as all Sochaux care about is Davies being 100% fit for the new campaign. Does anybody know the legal implications (of ignoring the club’s medical staff and the player breaking down)?

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  4. “..it ain’t over until Sweatpants sings.”

    Agreed. (and lol)

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    • Posted by matthewsf on 2010/05/04 at 11:29 AM

      Great comment — if I ever update the Comment HOF (coming shortly I swear) this one is going in there.

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  5. Posted by Colin on 2010/05/04 at 6:15 AM

    “Davies will not be fit to return to team action for Sochaux before the end of the season, a team source said, adding that he needed more time to recover.” Where in that statement does it say that he wont be fit for the world cup?

    The Sochaux season ends May 15….he has another 10 days after that to be fit for the Czech match…or 14 days to get fit for the Turkey match. As Bob has stated…if he is fit at the end of May, he will get a chance to prove it. He has been training in pads for what…2 weeks almost? I know it takes time to get match fitness back…but more than 5-6 weeks after you are able to start full training? For some reason I doubt that. If he is fit enough to be a sub for 30 minutes on June 12…he should have a spot on the roster.

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    • Posted by Colin on 2010/05/04 at 6:52 AM

      on ussoccer.com they have a clip with Bob Bradley on ESPN First take from April 29 (6 days ago)

      “We’ll need to assess them, knowing that they havent been playing in matches of late”

      “we’ll get a good look at him in our camp”

      When asked what the chances of Charlie Davies making the squad:

      “we’re still obviously still assessing it”

      Those words to me show that he will be invited to the camp and given a chance to show where hes at in his recovery.

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    • Posted by Alex on 2010/05/04 at 7:48 AM

      ditto what Colin said above and GeorgeCross said: “80% Davies is better than 100% XYZ”

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  6. I have to agree with the masses… if Sochaux puts out a statement like this and then Charlie ends up playing in the World Cup (and getting hurt), then they have the ability to tell their fans that they didn’t think he was fit and shouldn’t have played. I’m pretty sure they’re just covering their tails here, but I guess we’ll know more in late May.

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  7. Posted by KMac on 2010/05/04 at 6:51 AM

    Matthew,
    Thank you for your diligence and contacts/network to get to the bottom of this. This is yet another reason why I love this site!
    Great points above Vengeful, Gol and George!
    KMac

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  8. Posted by robbie on 2010/05/04 at 6:52 AM

    I knew this was a fabrication. Great reporting TSG.

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  9. Wow, nice pull, Matthew! That’s awesome news.

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  10. I completely understand why Sochaux would issue a statement like this – they’re covering their tails, as other commenters have pointed out. Yeah, it kinda rains on Davies’s story, but we’re all grown-ups here, right?

    At the end of the season, club teams have zero say in controlling a player’s time with his national team, so the outcome will be decided solely by Bradley and his staff.

    I think he’ll invite Charlie into camp to assess where he stands. It’s a losing proposition for fans to try and play the “80% CD > 100% other player game” – it’s simply too inexact, and we don’t see everything the coaches see. At the very least, having Davies in camp will be inspirational – if a player wants to be part of a team that badly, every other player in camp will work harder.

    Is it really only six weeks until the WC begins?

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    • Posted by GeorgeCross on 2010/05/04 at 7:34 AM

      Sochaux cannot stop Davies from being called up. AGREED.
      Sochaux cannot stop Davies from being checked by the US Medical Team. AGREED.

      But – if the USA Medical Team comes to the conclusion that he is not 100% fit, who has the final decision on whether he plays?

      My point is that players often get injured whilst on international duty and the clubs get angry but ultimately have no say. But in this situation, Davies is not fit from the start, so this is where the difference is between Davies and say Holden or Van Persie – they were 100% fit and got injured during the International game. You see players getting pulled out from international duty all the time by their clubs after the national team doctors confirm the club’s medical report…

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      • Posted by Bob on 2010/05/04 at 5:55 PM

        To confirm the clubs power, all we have to do is look at how Liverpool is restricting Torres WC participation by not allowing him to play in the first game against Switzerland.

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  11. Posted by matthewsf on 2010/05/04 at 7:07 AM

    It’s very difficult some times to put the right information on this site.

    I only wish I could offer our community even more–but alas this doesn’t pay the bills just yet.

    My general axiom that I follow is this:

    – Publish what has been publish by reputable sources (the AP really *should be a reputable)
    – Add the TSG lens (our take)
    – Let the readers decide the truth
    – Follow up as best we can on areas/data of confusion.

    Thanks for everyone’s feedback today and we’ll always do our best for you.

    On another note, interview Ale Bedoya this morning. What a great guy….Look for that shortly…

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  12. Posted by GeorgeCross on 2010/05/04 at 7:37 AM

    And people have to remember, the rate of recovery is not constant, so saying that he’s X% now and has 6 weeks to go so should be OK is a little one dimensional and short sighted. Sometimes that last 5% can take a disproportionate amount of time.

    I am keeping my fingers crossed that he is fit. That’s all you can do.

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  13. Posted by BostonMatt on 2010/05/04 at 8:01 AM

    The interesting part of Sochaux’s response is that they’re not denying that CD9 isn’t ready. All they’re saying is that they didn’t speak to the AP; they mentioned nothing about his fitness other than an inane “He’s doing great!”. So, the AP article could still be right.

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  14. Posted by Colin on 2010/05/04 at 8:44 AM

    I still dont believe that he will be fit enough to start any of the remaining friendlies and probly not any WC games…but the possibility of him playing 30 minutes of any/all of those games is reason enough for me to give him a roster spot. There are going to be 4 spots of the 23 dedicated to forwards….name 4 that deserve those spots more than Davies…even if Davies is only good for sub appearances come June.

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    • Posted by GeorgeCross on 2010/05/04 at 9:12 AM

      I feel that the US have a few players who are versatile, which will perhaps offer Bradley the tactical flexibility to include Davies. I feel this selection conundrum is not to do with whether to pick Davies over XYZ, but whether Davies can be picked. If there is no red-tape, I feel he will be in, even if it is as an impact sub rather than a starter.

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      • Posted by Colin on 2010/05/04 at 9:43 AM

        a la Michael Owen ’06? Sochaux want to avoid that type of situation…and so do I.

        Difference being, Owen played a game at the end of that regular season (and said he wasnt completely recovered)…and was used as a starter in that WC. The FA later paid Newcastle 10m for his injury.

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        • Posted by GeorgeCross on 2010/05/04 at 10:20 AM

          You are 100% correct – but I also think that the injury suffered in WC06 was independent of the injury that kept him out of the 05/06 season. If Davies played for a club with more clout, then they would definitely cause more trouble.

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    • Posted by Ben! on 2010/05/04 at 10:08 AM

      @colin.
      Thats exactly what I was thinking. Davies doesn’t need to be fit to run around for 90 minutes. I’m sure he’s fit enough to come on for 20-30 for that extra “boost”. Even if he doesn’t score, think about what he’ll do for the team, our fans, and the opponent when he comes on, US down 1-0 to England, with 20 minutes left.
      Inspiration, crowd advantage, possible fear in opponents?
      Think you gotta bring him just for that…

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    • Totally agreed. I’m gonna be completely tearing up in front of the gf WHEN he takes the field.

      “Thank you for the continued support. Just BELIEVE! God Bless”

      Charlie asks us to believe…I’m believing.

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  15. Posted by maxq on 2010/05/04 at 8:44 AM

    The gd French are trying to sabotage our WC run.

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  16. Posted by Pedant on 2010/05/04 at 10:10 AM

    Sorry to nitpick, but the original story is from _AFP_, not the AP — two different organizations (Agence France Presse vs Associated Press, French vs American).

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    • Posted by matthewsf on 2010/05/04 at 10:20 AM

      The AP picked up the story and that was our source on it…an AP wire report.

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    • Posted by KMac on 2010/05/04 at 10:35 AM

      The story I saw was from AFP ( wiki description below):

      Agence France-Presse (AFP) is a French news agency, the oldest one in the world, and one of the three largest with Associated Press and Reuters. It is also the largest French news agency. Currently, its CEO is Emmanuel Hoog and its news director Philippe Massonnet.

      AFP is based in Paris, with regional centres in Washington, Hong Kong, Nicosia, São Paulo, Montevideo and bureaux in 110 countries. It transmits news in French, English, Arabic, Spanish, German, and Portuguese.

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  17. Posted by KMac on 2010/05/04 at 10:40 AM

    To Matthew and TSG readers,
    I apologize if my forewarding this story (AFP article this morning) caused any undue panic/heartburn/etc. My original intention in forwarding to TSG and some other key US Soccer News literati was to get this debunked as soon as possible, which Matthew with the insight of Grant Wahl did in an admirable and fleet fashion.

    As a matter of fact I put in the original subject line of my email ” Say it isn’t so”!, for the record.

    So GO ChuckD we are 100% or more behind you!
    KMac

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    • Posted by matthewsf on 2010/05/04 at 10:49 AM

      K-Mac.

      You have no need to apologize whatsoever.

      The responsibility lies with those who create the content, not those who distribute it…unless it’s unlicensed. :>

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    • Posted by matthewsf on 2010/05/04 at 11:28 AM

      Someone would have sent it to us/posted it if it wasn’t you.

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  18. Posted by Colin on 2010/05/04 at 1:07 PM

    no doubt…i would have seen it on the http://www.FIFA.com/worldcup i visit that site pretty frequently (its got a countdown to the WC)…and its a front page article there…unbelievable.

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  19. Posted by Shane_K83 on 2010/05/04 at 3:12 PM

    If Gooch goes, if Iceman goes, than bet your @$$ CD9 goes..

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  20. Posted by Doug on 2010/05/04 at 4:58 PM

    Well this is so confusing because the fifa site says the club team medical staff says that he could be healthy in time to play for both club and team.

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  22. Posted by Kevin on 2010/05/04 at 5:57 PM

    For me, if Davies is back in full contact fitness, it’s not a matter of (injury) fitness. This is a matter of how long he can last. More endurance than physical if you ask me, so by sochaux saying he won’t be fit, they are holding him to a double-standard. “We don’t want him to play for country, but he can play for club!” As long as he keeps running and his cardio keeps rising, I don’t see why he can’t play.

    However, IF Davies cannot make the squad there are other options. By reading some comments, it seems like many of you think that Davies is our only hope. Think of it this way, other countries *cough*ENGLAND*cough* know that without Davies we are much weaker than before because our counter-attack won’t be as effective. When Iceman returns, I say we slot Deuce up with Altidore and establish a passing game (or for more midfield/unpredictability a 4-2-3-1 with Altidore as the lone striker. If, we can establish a possessive passing game, we don’t need to be as reliant on Davies. It’s probably too late for this, and it would still be a giant if.

    In addition, my favorite (straight forward striker for striker) option is almost ready. Ching expects to be back on saturday.

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