Posted 2010/05/15 by matthewsf in Uncategorized. 20 Comments
Oguchi Onyewu among the 22 selected for the Rossoneri finale at Juventus today.
The big man in the middle today...again?
Posted by KL on 2010/05/15 at 11:28 AM
According to my phones application, Gooch isn’t in the 18.
Posted by matthewsf on 2010/05/15 at 11:33 AM
Correct — I will be removing the post…
Posted by Shane_K83 on 2010/05/15 at 11:51 AM
I’m sorry to say this but Gooch, was an idiot for going to Milan.. He should have know they would never play him, even in games that dont mean shit…
Posted by GeorgeCross on 2010/05/15 at 3:06 PM
Agreed 100% KL, they’re going to finish 3rd (as they’re too many points behind Roma in 2nd and too many points ahead of Sampdoria 4th) – so it not like they can get more money for a higher placed finish.
Posted by Joe on 2010/05/15 at 12:49 PM
ugh very frustrating
Posted by kaya on 2010/05/15 at 1:41 PM
It’s a little hard to say what might’ve been had it not been for the knee injury, but that undoubtedly was related to the fact he wasn’t playing. Kind of a catch 22… Regardless, I’m very worried what Gooch’s lack of match fitness will mean. He wasn’t sharp enough on several key moments in 06 and I can easily see history repeating itself.
Posted by Shane_K83 on 2010/05/15 at 1:46 PM
Lets be real here.. I’m of the opinion he is on the outside looking in at this point, and a starting spot is in the air..
Posted by Shane_K83 on 2010/05/15 at 1:49 PM
I would have loved to see Gooch go to the prem, Im pretty sure there was teams looking at him.. was’nt Birmingham glaring at him from across the table? Stupid choice to go to Milan.. How many Americans play in Seria A? Italian fans, coaches and managers have no respect for American players..
Here is where i prove my point.. Milan picked Gooch up on a free.. How much would you bet that he gets sold this summer? Money in the bank..
Posted by Shane_K83 on 2010/05/15 at 1:51 PM
p.s. thats also why Milan made such a big deal about the USSF paying for Gooch’s injury, becuase they have no intention on keeping him..
Did Sochaux ask for money on Davies? no, cuz they know he is a player they want to keep..
Posted by Tom M on 2010/05/15 at 1:56 PM
Davies wasn’t injured during a game. A little bit different
Posted by dude on 2010/05/15 at 2:45 PM
I agree that things are far from lala land when it comes to Onyewu, but he’s still very important. Plus, so cheap and ridiculous have Milan become that they probably will have their entire lineup injured next season, leaving holes for Onyewu to get some experience.
Posted by Shane_K83 on 2010/05/15 at 7:14 PM
Not an ideal situation to think that your playing time rest in the misfortune of another player..
Especially when your considered the United States #1 Defender
Posted by GeorgeCross on 2010/05/15 at 11:13 PM
That is football. Most opportunities arise at the expense of somebody else, whether it’s injury or loss of form. Once in, it’s up to the player coming in to grasp his opportunity. I personally don’t think there is anything wrong with it.
I think it was Shankly who said “you get yourself in the team, and you get yourself out the team”. Still relevant today IMO.
Posted by Shane_K83 on 2010/05/16 at 12:22 AM
Gooch can start for well established clubs.. he dont need to be riding the pine in a “power house” club like Milan who think their shit dont stink..
But your right younger players yet to make a name for themselves often get the chance to play, through injury or players in poor form..
Gooch is not a young player, but an established one.
He was in top form when Milan got him on a free, and they had no intention on playing him.. They were just looking to turn a dime into a dollar..
Posted by GeorgeCross on 2010/05/16 at 7:01 AM
Absolutely very valid point. But are you telling me that he was wrong to to have his head turned by a big club? I think his decision is that of many players, and they would jump at the opportunity to play for Milan** – plus he is probably financially secure for life now. Perhaps, in hindsight, he would have went to a ‘lesser’ club. Plus, like Kaya said, we will never know what might have been if it was not for the injury.
**Why the hate for Milan? It was a low risk Bosman aquisition.
Posted by Nick on 2010/05/16 at 7:15 AM
Agreed George, at least it wasn’t a Chelsea situation where they shelled our bags of money for someone and then never played them (cough, cough**Shaun Wright-Phillips**cough, cough, wheeze)
Posted by CJ on 2010/05/16 at 7:33 AM
Didn’t Matthew discuss the benefit of GOoch playing with a top italian club? From my perspective, he got paid, learned the intangibles of playing with/as an elite, got first hand training at shut down defense (something Italians and the USMNT are known for, no?) and even got to shine a bit. He still trains 24/7 with the team (aside from injury) and I’d say most players improve their game in drills and scrimmages with direct contact with the coaches than in-game play. Game time vs. Practice time is an age old debate, something I can relate to in ice hockey with the Russian’s and the US’ appraoch to youth development. The prior focus on drill repetition, the latter scrimmaging.
Posted by GeorgeCross on 2010/05/16 at 11:08 AM
The other point I would like to add is that when Onyewu was picked up by Milan, so many American fans were happy that a US player was at such a prestigious club, and were remarking how far US football had come, how it presented massive progress etc – basically waxing lyrical (and quite rightly so IMO). But now he’s been injured and struggled to get (back?) into the team, said fans are cussing his decision to go to Milan and be on the bench. I understand fans’ frustration leading into a World Cup, but I feel these comments are a little harsh. As I said before, if Milan came for most players (and I am not just talking about American players here), they’d probably go, or at the very least be *very* tempted. The exception is players at clubs in equal (perceived?) stature to Milan…
Posted by Shane_K83 on 2010/05/16 at 7:30 PM
To be fair George, me; on a personal level was’nt whistling dixie when Gooch was picked up by Milan, in fact i was quite worried about it from the start..
I hoped maybe he could find time in the rotation but i knew from day one it was not a wise move so close to a world cup..
Posted by matthewsf on 2010/05/16 at 8:26 AM
My first piece–horribly written I might add–was on Gooch and Milan.
I thought it was a good decision at the time. The jury is still out on it but *only* because of Gooch’s injury.
Here’s the thing. Where was Gooch going from Leige? It’s not clear. He had horrible time at Tyneside…though that was because the team was a mess…not his fault.
But if you’re in the Dutch league for two years…you need to remarket yourself.
Milan–in my opinion–picked up Gooch because he was a discount and–something I’ve talked about in my Jozy article–because he was American…I am sure there are at least a few Americans with Milan Gooch jerseys.
He was always going to fight for playing time AS A BACKUP. Nesta and Silva….the former is rounding off World Class status; the latter is a near World Class player.
Something Milan were trying to do in the summer was move Khaladze which would have opened up time for Gooch. If you remember earlier in the season he did start playing a bit.
It will be interesting to see what happens next year for Gooch and a lot will be predicated on his World Cup performance. Milan are still in salary purge mode. They’ll likely keep Silva and Nesta…and give Nesta more rest with someone…that likely being Gooch. They are not going to find as good a back-up…plus let’s not discount that Milan is coming through the US this year…they would like to keep his name there.
I’m also not sure they can cash in on their investment because they’ll need a 1st sub there and Gooch’s value certainly didn’t improve this year with his injury.
So…..my two cents on these past few weeks…I certainly think that Milan was not going to do any favors to the US after Gooch’s injury on International duty. I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but with the comments the chairman made after Gooch’s injury in October…I can see that happening.
Let’s see what players like Gooch and Beasley–another one frozen out by his club–do when they get into camp.
You know what…I’ll put up some “opening notes” in a post on camp today.
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