US versus Brazil – Post your comments here

Is this his last game in charge of the USMNT?

A very strong line from the US, though no Dempsey and Altidore is on the bench. Brazil seem to be going with a younger team…wish England would follow suit.

I’ll leave you all in the capable hands of Tuesday!

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Lineups
USA - Howard, Spector, Bocanegra (C), Bradley, Gonzalez, Donovan, Bedoya, Bornstein, Buddle, Edu, Feilhaber
Brazil – Victor, Alves, Silva, Luiz, Lucas, Santos, Robinho (C), Ramires, Pato, Ganso, Neymar

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So many questions tonight, least of all, is this Bradley’s last game in charge of the USMNT before he goes elsewhere, namely Villa Park?

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Howdy all – We have “I Like Tuesday” tweeting from up on high in the press box and Matt Mathai on the ground taking photos. There will be no live commentary for tonight’s game but feel free to comment here.

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95 responses to this post.

  1. Posted by Hercules on 2010/08/10 at 4:48 PM

    Pre-game commentary is focused on Bob Bradley’s future.

    And now moving on to players for 2014.

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  2. For some reason today, I’m fixated on the Leonardo elbow that fractured Tab Ramos’ skull. I wonder how different that game would have been if that hadn’t happened. Brazil…the most beautiful team in the world…and the most dirty.

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  3. Posted by dth on 2010/08/10 at 5:10 PM

    A bold lineup. I like it. Well done Bradley.

    One issue: why call up Altidore if he’s just going to be a sub?

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  4. Gonzo as replacement for Gooch?

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  5. Bedoya looks super scrappy. Gonzo sharp at center-half in the early going

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  6. HAS TO BE A FOUL

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    • Posted by GeorgeCross on 2010/08/10 at 10:16 PM

      He should have went down. I think staying on his feet denied him a penalty. Sad but true.

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      • I meant when that forward decked Howard in his own six yard box. but you’re right of course about the Donovan call.

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  7. Pato should’ve been booked

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  8. If I were Bradley I would change out both center-halves and the center mids after that last embarrassment of a goal.

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  9. Posted by Dennis on 2010/08/10 at 6:03 PM

    Things that haven’t changed since South Africa:

    1) John Harkes is an idiot.
    2) Bornstein is awful.

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    • Posted by Johninho on 2010/08/10 at 6:05 PM

      Sign me on to this. Harkesie I care about less, but yes, having Jonathan Bornstein on the field PROVES that Sweatpants has to go.

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      • It’s not about who coaches. It never has been. Klinsmann would inherit the same player pool should he be appointed to the post.

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    • Posted by Rhodie on 2010/08/10 at 6:07 PM

      Bornstein isn’t that bad, as long as you don’t mind a defender that gives up one goal a game by himself, go ahead and start him. In Bornstien’s defense, Spector hasn’t look good either. Bedoya looks great though.

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      • Posted by KickinNames... on 2010/08/11 at 5:56 AM

        Careful guys you’re going to hurt Matt’s feelings!)))) JB is one of those guys that will surprise you occasionally but once you go and depend on him…yikes! After all that WC experience and there he was rounding and backing on the ball again and running away from it if there was pressure within 20 yds and just looking uncomfortable in every situation. Experiment over!

        Harkes is proof that neither brains, class, talent or ability are necessary to succeed. Helps me get up in the morning anyway.

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  10. Posted by dth on 2010/08/10 at 6:03 PM

    You know, odd as this might sound, I really think the problems start with the fullbacks here. Bedoya has had to babysit for Bornstein’s lack of pace versus Neymar et. al.

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    • Posted by dth on 2010/08/10 at 6:05 PM

      Which leads to a lack of width and allows Brazil to clog up the midfield and form those triangles. Is there any way to fly Sean Franklin out to the New Meadowlands by the second half?

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  11. Posted by Jared on 2010/08/10 at 6:04 PM

    Big shock of the night, Bornstein can’t mark his man and gives up a goal. That he continues to play should be reason alone to get rid of Coach Sweats.

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    • Posted by Johninho on 2010/08/10 at 6:06 PM

      Exactly.

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    • Posted by dth on 2010/08/10 at 6:06 PM

      I’m not sure there’s an alternative at left back. Who do you like instead? Bocanegra? Can you imagine his lack of pace versus Robihno? Heath Pearce? Same. It’s not Bob Bradley’s fault that the U.S. can’t develop a left back.

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      • Posted by Johninho on 2010/08/10 at 6:12 PM

        Lichaj is a left back – I’d totally be willing to try him in the Senior National Team, right Now.

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        • Posted by dth on 2010/08/10 at 6:16 PM

          Lichaj isn’t a left back. He’s a right back. This is in his own words. Also, he’s never played at a higher level than League One, and only has 8 professional appearances. I’m sorry, this almost certainly won’t work.

          Besides, it’s rarely a good idea to disrupt someone fighting for a spot, as Lichaj is.

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        • Posted by Johninho on 2010/08/10 at 6:20 PM

          I thought Lichaj was the left back at Villa after Luke Young left.

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        • Posted by dth on 2010/08/10 at 6:21 PM

          He’s not. It’s uncertain whether he makes the squad or is loaned out.

          Young, incidentally, is also a right back but Martin O’Neil insisted on playing him out of position at LB.

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        • Posted by Johninho on 2010/08/10 at 6:24 PM

          Ok, that’s the source of my confusion, then. Thanks.

          The search for the 20 right fullbacks in America who are better than Jonathan Bornstein continues.

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        • Posted by dth on 2010/08/10 at 6:34 PM

          I’m not worried about the right back situation. There are several guys who are or will be better: Franklin, Alston, Lichaj, perhaps Daniel Williams; some of the young guys in U-20 et. al. They just aren’t quite ready yet, though if Gonzalez is ready for a call-up so is Sean Franklin.

          It’s the left back situation that continues to look dire. A lonely nation turns its eyes on Greg Garza (no pressure!)

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        • Posted by Hercules on 2010/08/10 at 7:11 PM

          What about Alejandro Bedoya’s brother? (Very young-18, but LWB)

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      • Posted by dth on 2010/08/10 at 7:14 PM

        Trialed at Alejandro’s club, didn’t get a contract. A maybe, I suppose.

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    • Harkes: “And he came in totally unmarked…”
      Me: “He wasn’t unmarked, Bornstein was right there.”
      Friend: “Bornstein was marking him. He was unmarked.”

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  12. Posted by David T on 2010/08/10 at 6:04 PM

    Alright first half, I’m impressed by the youngsters

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  13. Posted by Hercules on 2010/08/10 at 6:06 PM

    Edu or Bradley out for Klejstan, move Feilhaber inside.

    Bornstein out for Goodson, move Bocanegra outside.

    Buddle out for Jozy or Gomez.

    That’s just what I think should happen.

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  14. How is it Bornstein’s fault that the whole center of defense got caught sleeping? Or Bradley’s for that matter?

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    • Posted by Johninho on 2010/08/10 at 6:14 PM

      It’s Bornstein’s fault that he couldn’t, when standing right next to Neymar, defend a measured header to the goal after a cross that took three seconds to arrive at Neymar’s head.

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      • That is a fair criticism, but I was talking about the second goal, the through ball that left all the US defense looking behind them to watch Pato run on to it. That second goal wasn’t all Bornstein’s fault. As for the first goal, Neymar had been giving both Bornstein and Bedoya fits on that wing all night.

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    • Posted by Dennis on 2010/08/10 at 6:14 PM

      It’s not just the goal.

      Bornstein v. Dani Alves has been a massacre, as one might expect. This is why during the world cup some of us, myself included, belabored the fact that Bornstein simply isn’t good enough to play on the international level. He can’t pass the ball, is always negative, and almost always clears the ball out of bounds rather than trying to keep possession.

      And it’s Bradley’s fault for giving him chance after chance expecting different results. Bring on Jurgen and a whole new player pool!

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      • Posted by GeorgeCross on 2010/08/10 at 10:08 PM

        The obvious culprit for the 1st goal was Bornstein. But where did that space come from in the RB zone to delivery that cross?

        Bornstein’s positioning was all over the place, and it was more luck than judgement that Brazil failed to capitalise.

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  15. On 45′ the USA had a chance to counter-attack, but everyone was ball-watching

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  16. Agree with Hercules with exception of Buddle out, I thought he held the ball up well. Jozy should come in though for sure.

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  17. Posted by T-Muck on 2010/08/10 at 6:10 PM

    I just joined for that second goal, but that was all on Bradley and the central defense (it looked like Boca) for not closing down and giving too much space, other than that play, how’s the team been playing?

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    • Posted by dth on 2010/08/10 at 6:13 PM

      Edu’s had some nice moments. The only thing we can say about Bedoya is that he has a nice work rate–he’s spent much of the game babysitting for Jonathan Spector. But he’s had some decent moments on offense. Really, same old siege story.

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      • Posted by GeorgeCross on 2010/08/10 at 10:15 PM

        Need to rewatch 2nd goal, but it looked like Bocanegra stepped out to close down and got caught badly with the throughball that Pato put away easily. But, where was the DM picking up Ramirez(?) between the lines?

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  18. Soz at Jared, I didn’t realize you were calling out JB for first goal, and thought you meant Bradley coach, and not Michael. Apologies m8.

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  19. Posted by Johninho on 2010/08/10 at 6:22 PM

    Formation question: Would a diamond mid in the 4-4-2 (so, OK, 4-1-2-1-2) maximize triangles?

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  20. Posted by itally on 2010/08/10 at 6:26 PM

    This is a comedy of errors from the USMNT…but I’m not laughing.

    Sweatpants needs to go…but it would be sad if this was his last game and it ends up a blowout (as is looking highly likely).

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    • Posted by dth on 2010/08/10 at 6:30 PM

      Not the finest game for either Bradley–Mike especially looks out of sorts.

      To be fair to Bob, the problems in this game stem mostly from problems in the player pool. No reliable distributor in midfield, no good fullbacks, slow centerbacks. These things aren’t really Bradley’s fault.

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      • Posted by dth on 2010/08/10 at 6:42 PM

        A quick addition: if the solutions to these problems do present themselves, we shouldn’t blame Bradley or praise his successor (should there be one). The fact is that Bradley would have had no effect on some 18 year old right now.

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    • No one is laughing that likes the US team. It reminds me of after the ’94 World Cup and we had done reasonably well, and then played our first friendly against England losing 2:0.

      Our team is so ADD, when the USA has something to respond to, they react. Rivals realizing this try to make things as dull as possible and then wait for the mental mistake.

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  21. Posted by T-Muck on 2010/08/10 at 6:29 PM

    Come on JOZY!!! SHOOT!!!!!

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  22. Posted by Johninho on 2010/08/10 at 6:34 PM

    Ganso’s gonna win them this next World Cup.

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  23. Lucas is a butcher

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  24. We are lucky to not be down 5:0. I think the result has little to do with Bob Bradley’s tactics though. I challenge anyone to do a better job as USA manager.

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  25. Ramires weights his passes well, and hits good through balls.

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  26. Posted by T-Muck on 2010/08/10 at 6:50 PM

    Why are we so horrible on the ball? We can’t keep possession to save our lives.

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  27. Brazil have shown well for a bunch of lads essentially.

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    • Posted by GeorgeCross on 2010/08/11 at 6:40 AM

      They found space far too easily. They were passing the ball in front of you from side to side and then seemed to always get behind the FBs. I know the USA had a decent height advantage in the middle and seemed to concede that space, but Brazil put a decent number of balls into the box in the first half that should have been much better quite frankly.

      Even though it was only 0-2, the gulf in class was there to see today. Apart from the Donovan incident in the first 5 minutes, I cannot remember the USA really threatening the Brazil goal, apart from a couple of hopeful longballs.

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      • That is sadly true.

        I still dislike the use of the word “class” though. According to FC Sion Adu had class but wasn’t the “sort of player they were looking for”, so maybe it doesn’t mean anything. Just a sort of rhetorical football term.

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  28. Posted by BW on 2010/08/10 at 7:00 PM

    kljestan looking torrid tonight. entire midfield looks impotent. 2nd half has been very poor! first 15 mins were best for the US and it’s been all downhill from there.

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  29. Posted by Ctd on 2010/08/10 at 7:01 PM

    Sacha Kljestan continuing his long standing tradition of passing to the other team…

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  30. I wish we could have Canadian officials for every meaningful CONCACAF match…these gentlemen were on.

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  31. Posted by Andrew on 2010/08/10 at 7:08 PM

    is there something wrong with Holden??
    That’s one player who needs more looks….plays attacking mid and outside mid…he needs more experience.

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    • I think he was left off to get situated with Bolton as he spent very little playing time with them last season. Don’t think there’s any question we’ll see more of him for the Nats this cycle.

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  32. Posted by FulhamPete on 2010/08/10 at 7:11 PM

    Ok. That sucked.

    Some positives: Guzan is ABSOLUTELY ready for primetime.

    Gonzalez is also ready to go now. He looked VERY good against a skilled attack force, and the rest of the defense crumbles around him. He should start every USMNT game through WC2014.

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    • Omar Gonzalez looked very composed indeed for such a young player. It was impressive.

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    • Posted by dth on 2010/08/10 at 7:17 PM

      Gonzalez wasn’t awful; Edu I thought was actually pretty good (relatively; I’d rate him like a 6). Everyone else was either awful or infected by awfulness (in the latter category: Donovan, Altidore, Bedoya, who either never really saw the ball much or had to babysit for the defense.)

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  33. Posted by Jake on 2010/08/10 at 7:16 PM

    We didn’t move at all in the 2nd half. With possession or defending. Sacha had a few good moments but those were no match for his terrible distribution while under no pressure.

    And none of the forwards, save Buddle in the first 10 minutes put any sort of pressure on Brazil. Even Findley, who came on late was walking as soon as he entered. Maybe chalk it up to individual fitness, but we never do well when we don’t have intense pressure from our forwards and midfield. The first 10 min were good in that regard, but as soon as we gave space we were always going to be in trouble.

    I thought Bedoya was bad, even if some people think he was caretaking Spector. His touch and movement were bad and delayed.

    Oh well, hopefully a decision is made soon about a coach. Either that he stays or goes (my preference).

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    • Posted by dth on 2010/08/10 at 7:20 PM

      Yeah, Bedoya’s touch looked clunky, but he had some ideas in the final third on the rare occasions he had an opportunity. It’s possible he just isn’t that good, but I think another possibility is that he was pumped up for getting (essentially) his first big audition for the senior team. So I’d give him another shot to redeem himself, though it’s not as if we have a pressing dearth of wingers.

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      • Posted by Hercules on 2010/08/10 at 7:33 PM

        What is interesting is that he isn’t looking horrible. His two main appearances have been v. Netherlands and Brazil. If you don’t look horrible, then you are not that bad imho.

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  34. Posted by JohnnyF on 2010/08/10 at 7:50 PM

    What the f*** was that?

    Minus Dempsey and DeMerit, that was basically our World Cup squad and we were beyond crap. No creativity, no composure, no identity.

    I’ll say Bradley got incredibly lucky to achieve the success he did. We went down 0-1 continually in qualifying on the road and at home against “inferior” teams. Yeah we won the group but again with a last second goal vs. Costa Rica.

    In the Confederation Cup we were terrible vs. Italy and Brazil in the group stage and miraculously squeak through to the next round. Spain and Brazil games? Ok we played well.

    World Cup? Again early goals and miracle finishes needed to save our asses.

    Good teams control games and put their imprint on them. We rarely do that. Tonight was an example. That was basically our World Cup squad going against a talented but inexperienced Brazil and they embarrassed us all around the park. (the only American worse was John Harkes)

    It’s time for Jurgen to come and make his imprint on the team. Give him all the control he wants.

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  35. Hey everyone, thanks for your comments. I’ll have a piece ready ASAP tomorrow. For now I’ve got a long long drive!

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  36. Posted by SingingRiver on 2010/08/10 at 8:52 PM

    Also minus Cherundolo, JohnnyF. I’m of the opinion that Cherundolo was one of our most crucial players as he linked the defense to the midfield like no other player could. Honestly…also Dempsey is a beast.

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    • Posted by Hercules on 2010/08/10 at 9:02 PM

      News from Twitter said that Cherundolo was held out because of fitness issues.

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      • The reliance on Cherundolo, Bocanegra, and DeMerit has to end. They are starting to get a bit old. Are they really going to be there at the end, assuming we qualify for 2014?

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  37. Posted by Gabby on 2010/08/10 at 9:16 PM

    All, I’m going to say is… It’s a hard knock life being an American soccer fan. Still glad I went to this match in person.

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  38. Posted by Michael on 2010/08/10 at 9:16 PM

    Gringo Torres for USMNT left back. Kinda brilliant, isn’t it?

    I don’t understand: with the importance of outside backs in today’s game, why aren’t more guys playing out of position to grow their value to club and country?

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  39. Posted by JohnnyF on 2010/08/10 at 11:54 PM

    You’re right “Singing River”- Cherundolo has been magnificent of late….not sure Dempsey would’ve mattered tonight…..still a big fan of Torres….in fact his passing could’ve settled us a bit….

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  40. Posted by Freegle on 2010/08/11 at 12:19 AM

    TSG… ever the Bornstein apologists… go ahead, give it a try. Come up with something positive he contributes.

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  41. Posted by JC on 2010/08/11 at 4:38 AM

    Ok, everyone relax. I saw the game and read the many “oh my God, what are we going to do” comments. It’s a friendly. A friendly against a team with youthful talent who want to impress the sweats off their coach. But what is clear is that Bradley is out. First real hint was Jones declining. This simply says why waste time impressing you….you will be gone. One other quick point. How do you spell relief? CONCACAF. That’s the same as sliding down an emergency slide with two beers. Blending in the youth, with speed, will come. It wasnt that long ago, the stable wasnt this full. So when things seems lost and hopeless, think CONCACAF.

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  42. Posted by KickinNames... on 2010/08/11 at 6:26 AM

    In the cold hard light of the morning after…

    To the Save Bob apologists: J Bornstein. S Klestjan (or however you spell it). Really? We haven’t learned our lessons on those guys at the start of a new cycle? And the formation was all wrong with personnel on the field at the start. I’d grade him a C+ for the last WC cycle for overachieving in some spots (Confed Cup) but his grade gets dragged down measurably simply for starting Rico in any of the WC games over Edu in SA. Just too stubborn and tone deaf at key times to take this team to another level.

    B Feilhaber- Like Bornstein, if you look at his play, he continually comes up small when you lean on him. Looked like he didn’t belong on the field for long stretches last night.

    Bedoya- looked like a novice last night. I understand the Spector protection but still most on the ball decisions were rushed and lacking in imagination and execution.

    Buddle-continues to ” out Jozy” Jozy in every appearance I’ve seen him in the last yr. Threatening on the move and not afraid to run at defenders. Me likey more each time I see him.

    M Bradley- When he was in the CAM role ahead of Edu last night he really looked like a player growing in class and confidence. Strong on the ball and holding possession, Very good vision and distribution accuracy downfield. And then you turn your head and he’s dropped back to the CDM role to own the ball and the whole MF gets thrown out of balance. I think that a new unrelated manager is necessary to help him take his game to another level. He has too much leeway to roam now and it hurts his game and the team.

    M Edu- Good, solid, steady in MF. Better when he plays withdrawn in the CDM role IMHO than in CAM. As with all the good CDM”s you barely notice he’s on the field which is a good thing.

    Re Brazil-
    Pato has grown in to a man over the last year. Literally. Still think he’s overrated but much more physical in his game.

    Lucas- did you notice how after the first 10 mins the ball never found him again? Still can’t figure out how a guy like that keeps finding his way into 1st team club and country. The players simply decided that he couldn’t be trusted with the ball and the coach just doesn’t see it.

    Robinho as captain and composed veteran for Brazil. Who would have predicted that?

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    • Posted by GeorgeCross on 2010/08/11 at 6:59 AM

      Need to watch the game again, but I though Bradley put his teammates under unnecessary pressure. Yes, it was a simple ball, but it wasn’t the right pass to play because the receiving player wasn’t open. I know Brazil won the ball back quite comfortably but there’s no need to be doing them any favours.

      The other thing was when the ball was in the air and Spector and Bornstein had time to bring down and settle – maybe there was a lack of communication – they just jumped up and headed the ball out of “their zone”, but all they did was gift possession back to Brazil to start again. They just didn’t want the ball. That was really odd to see that. At least Bradley had the confidence to want the ball, even if he came short for it.

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      • Posted by dth on 2010/08/11 at 8:29 AM

        Your second paragraph is so accurate. Of the long list of things that were inadequate about that performance, the fullbacks’ has to lead the list. They offered nothing in defense and nothing in attack. The team really looked best in the World Cup when Cherundolo was bombing ahead–I’m not sure Spector could segway ahead with his pace.

        Fortunately there’s a decent crop of right-sided fullbacks coming up and through. Our long national nightmare at left back, however, will continue indefinitely.

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  43. Posted by John on 2010/08/11 at 7:34 AM

    The absolute most depressing thing from last night was the realization that the third string defense of Brazil is better than our first string.

    Other than the first 15 minutes it was 75 minutes of pure crap.

    I used to live in the hope that we could find a striker that could put the ball in the net, but at this point it doesn’t matter if we get a great striker if our midfield has to play back to cover the D.

    Horrid.

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  44. I find the speculation over coaching amusing. Those who want a new coach for the USA, seem to think that it will make a quantum leap in progress and respect possible.

    Case in point:

    Both Carlos Queiroz and Carlos Alberto Parreira coached the MetroStars. Neither was able to manage anything better than other coaches from this region such as Bruce Arena or Richie Williams.

    Perhaps the quality of coaches and players has nothing to do with what country or FIFA world zone you come from.

    So if the conculsion is that success depends on the players you have and the performances you can expect from them, doesn’t it make more sense to have someone working as the head coach/technical director for US Soccer that actually wants to be here, rather than a prima donna foreign coach who is just going to moan about how crap the players are when things grow difficult?

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