Follow-ups: Carroll, Adu, Edu, Junior, More

Monday bullets & weekend follow-ups:

Andy Carroll to Liverpool: £35m puts the target striker in Anfield. I absolutely love this move for Liverpool. Homegrown player, sure to be in the national team picture, young target striker who still can knock it in. Great move for the Reds today.

Lots of transfer hubbub sure to come down the pike today: Luis, Torres, and more…

Gauranteed never to wear a Benfica kit again...

• Freddy Adu, according to Washington Post reporter Steve Goff, now testing out his wheels at Turkish 2nd division side Rizespor. Adu will be the only American, or European for that matter, on the team. Good job by Adu’s agent finding him something to get some playing time within the confines of his contract.

TSG looking good on our 2011 predictions right now, scoring on Bradley to the EPL and now Adu not to MLS  (yet).

Not sure why fans are pushing to have Adu “come home” to MLS. It’s not clear that we would develop in the States either–I don’t see any Championship side in England (or Germany for that matter) signing him up.

Continually at home, he wouldn’t be anonymous which is probably exactly what he needs to improve his game right now.

• USA vs. Egypt now might move to a new venue. Reached earlier in the week, a US spokesman said, “they were monitoring the situation, but had no plans to change venue yet.”

The US roster is supposed to be on this Wednesday. A location in Eastern Europe, like Vienna, would make sense, be convenient and earn a few dollars.

Michael Bradley to Villa reaching formalities stage.

• Maurice Edu with yet another left-footed lash…this time against Motherwell. You’re showing us something here, Mo. Jermaine Jones, predominantly lefty. Mo Edu, striking with his left. Doesn’t anyone want to just try a runout at leftback?

• Ireland’s truest Robbie Keane heads to West Ham on loan. An aside, does anyone miss Zola at West Ham more than Carlton Cole? Twenty-two (22) goals in 73 games with Zola at the helm. In the 82 games bookending Zola’s reign? Fourteen (14).

• Cheer the Americans at Anfield. Having locked up Luis Suarez, a report from the Guardian says Henry & Co. are now after Ashley Young and Charlie Adam. The days of Roy Hodgson seem oh-so-long ago.

• From Hall of Fame reporter (yes, t’is true) Frank Dell’Apa: Yura Movsisyan heads eastward to FC Krasnodar. The former RSL super sub coming up the ranks.

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66 responses to this post.

  1. Posted by dikranovich on 2011/01/31 at 6:23 AM

    just as an aside, im not so sure vienna, austria is exactly considered eastern europe. they better just play the game in zurich. thats in switzerland and they are very neutral. maybe it is to cold for egypt. swiss or greece, one of these two countries will host usa egypt, or the game might just be cancelled.

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  2. Hopefully Movsisyan and Buddle can add to the very short list of former MLS players working their way up in Europe.

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    • Posted by connor mcmurray on 2011/01/31 at 9:17 PM

      sorry jay, but do you care that Movsisyan has already joined a different national then the USA? I think he plays for Almeria or some place stupid like that.

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      • Posted by dikranovich on 2011/02/01 at 12:30 AM

        excuse me conner son, that country would be armenia, which happens to be one of the culturally and historically significant places on the planet.

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  3. Posted by dikranovich on 2011/01/31 at 6:54 AM

    jay, im sorry, but what do you consider to be a very short list and what do you mean by working their way up in europe. does that include just moving to europe in the first place. i mean ryan nelson, is he on the list of mls plyers moving up in europe or is he not?

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  4. Posted by GeorgeCross on 2011/01/31 at 7:09 AM

    My Nathaniel Clyne prediction didn’t happen. I thought it would, especially when Aston Villa and Birmingham City were sniffing around in the summer.

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  5. Posted by GeorgeCross on 2011/01/31 at 7:19 AM

    And Donovan to Everton would have completed the US midfield in the EPL. Sigh.

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  6. Posted by Chas on 2011/01/31 at 7:59 AM

    Nice logic with Edu: because he scored a goal with his left foot, he should play left back. Really??

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    • Posted by dth on 2011/01/31 at 8:09 AM

      I think it’s a joke.

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    • Posted by dikranovich on 2011/01/31 at 8:12 AM

      maybe usa really need to start playing in the 3-5-2 more. rico, gooch, and edu across the back. jones and bradley in def. mid, then three attcking mids, donovan, feilhaber, holden, or maybe kljestan, then after all this, you still get to put two forwrds into this lineup. altidore and dempsey
      howard
      rico gooch edu
      bradley jones
      sacha feilhaber donovan
      dempsey altidore

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      • Posted by GeorgeCross on 2011/01/31 at 9:15 AM

        Talk about re-inventing the formation wheel… Don’t think I have seen anybody playing a MM during my lifetime.

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        • Posted by Berniebernier on 2011/01/31 at 9:56 AM

          Didn’t Jonathan Wilson just write an article about how Barca is basically playing a version of the WW. Not that I want to compare US to Barca but thought it was worth pointing out.

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        • Posted by GeorgeCross on 2011/01/31 at 10:32 AM

          Yes he did.

          dikranovich suggested a 3-2-3-2 (MM) where it has been suggested that [with the ball] Barca play 2-3-2-3. Emphasis here is the way the FBs push up.

          Don’t think 3 at the back will happen playing an opponent with 1 up top – you’ll get over-manned elsewhere on the pitch…

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        • Posted by dikranovich on 2011/01/31 at 11:09 AM

          the 3-5-2 is taylor suited to the usa. there is no better formation for our ntional team. maybe we will have to wait til bruce takes charge again to see it. i hope not though.

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      • Posted by Bob on 2011/01/31 at 9:52 AM

        Rico? Who’s he?!

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      • Posted by KickinNames... on 2011/01/31 at 1:04 PM

        Rico Gooch Edu? Sacha and no Holden. Credibility falling rapidly. Rico? You must have missed that Ghana game.

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  7. Posted by dth on 2011/01/31 at 8:11 AM

    Transfer deadline day has become my favorite day of the year, for the predictable spectacle that a lot of very rich men will do some very stupid things with their money.

    35 million for Andy Carroll?!?

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    • Posted by Berniebernier on 2011/01/31 at 8:27 AM

      Don’t think of it as $35 for Carroll. Think of it as Suarez and Carrol for Torres. If that is the case then I think Liverpool is much better. Because $50 for Torres is just as crazy.

      Plus as a Red Sox fan this is their blue print. Torres get you X goals, Suarez and Carrol get you X+5 goals. The team might be slightly less dynamic but the team is stronger throughout the line-up.

      Plus really how many fewer goals will Carroll get than Torres?

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    • Posted by dth on 2011/01/31 at 8:35 AM

      No. It’s 35 million pounds. Think of it as Suarez + (using the ballpark-reliable Transfermarkt) Keisuke Honda + Andy Johnson + Neven Subotic + 12 million pounds left over.

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      • Posted by John on 2011/01/31 at 8:46 AM

        The point was that if Liverpool sell Torres for 50 million pounds, and they brought Suarez in for 22 million pounds, then Carrol would only represent at 7 million pound addition.

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        • Posted by dth on 2011/01/31 at 9:00 AM

          No. 35 million pounds is 35 million pounds is 35 million pounds. You can account for it any way you like, but that 35 million pounds could’ve been spent elsewhere.

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        • Posted by John on 2011/01/31 at 9:17 AM

          Er, everything is perspective.

          While I agree that 35 million pounds is insane, so is 50 million pounds, so is anyone making 1 million pounds. This isn’t tangible money that you or I have in our pockets.

          If Liverpool get paid 50 million pounds for Torres then they have 35 million to spend on Carroll regardless of whether he is worth it or not.

          And if you have only 1 forward then Carroll is more valuable than Honda. It is a matter of perspective.

          If you were stocked up on Forwards and needed a play making midfielder than Honda would be more valuable than Carrol.

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        • Posted by dth on 2011/01/31 at 9:24 AM

          I don’t disagree that they have the money. That’s not the point.

          The point is whether they’re getting value for money. Given the demonstrated inefficiencies of the transfer market–in both directions–they aren’t. Which is why it’s a desperately silly move.

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        • Posted by John on 2011/01/31 at 9:28 AM

          Regarding Value for money:

          If Fernando Torres goes to Chelsea, that leaves Liverpool with:

          Luis Suarez
          David Ngog

          That’s it.

          The fact is that the Torres situation essentially allowed Premier league teams to Stick Up Liverpool for a forward (which they desperately need).

          Considering that the club isn’t laden with debt (how great is that to type) and that they would be paying a net spend of only 7 to 10 million pounds to get Suarez and Carrol (both of whom are younger than Torres). It isn’t entirely silly a prospect.

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        • Posted by GeorgeCross on 2011/01/31 at 9:45 AM

          I understand GBP50M is a lot of money to turn down. But Torres *is* under contract. Liverpool do not have to sell, especially on the last day of the window.

          Let him go in the summer – albeit, probably less than 50M – and spend the next 5 months properly scouting for a replacement – who will probably be cheaper than in January.

          Think might sound insane: Liverpool are 9pts of a CL place, and it is probably out of their reach (to be fair), but I reckon they’d have a much better crack at it with Torres than without. Think of the opportunity cost of CL revenue too.

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        • Posted by John on 2011/01/31 at 9:46 AM

          I don’t disagree George.

          Anyway, sounds like the Carrol deal might be dead.

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        • Posted by GeorgeCross on 2011/01/31 at 10:59 AM

          Question to the Bundesliga / Serie A / La Liga fans:

          Is the transfer fee inflated for a German / Italian / Spanish player, like it is for an English player in the EPL?

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    • Posted by KickinNames... on 2011/01/31 at 1:02 PM

      Don’t think of as $35MM for Carroll. $20MM for Carroll. $15 MM for the ponytail.

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  8. Posted by Berniebernier on 2011/01/31 at 8:49 AM

    Not sure your point. None of them are Fs. And I am not sure how many of them are available.

    More pieces doesn’t make it better. You could probably get a bulk of the USMNT for 35 m pounds.

    If you make those signings it needs to be Honda’s value over who he replaces, Andy Johnson’s value over his replacement, etc.

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    • Posted by dth on 2011/01/31 at 9:03 AM

      It’s an example. These guys could be anyone–the point is just that for 35 million pounds you could get 5 Rafael van der Vaarts. Or Mesut Ozil and Sami Khedira with much money left over. Or many of the other huge bargains that you see in transfer windows.

      For the record I think Subotic and Honda individually are better than Carroll, irrespective of the money paid for them. If you got them at anywhere near the ballpark price of Transfer markt, then that would be a huge advantage, value-wise.

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      • Posted by GeorgeCross on 2011/01/31 at 9:27 AM

        That’s the problem with a mid-season transfer window. It creates inflation and distorts the whole market. Plus it can become destabilising [for the target player's club].

        As much as I like the excitement, rumour and speculation, in principle, I don’t like it. You should have your squad** at 15th August [whenever the season starts^^], and that should be it for the season.

        **Perhaps squad size should be 27/28 to compensate for no mid-season window.

        ^^season start should be syncronised across Europe.

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  9. Posted by FutbolAmerica on 2011/01/31 at 8:58 AM

    As the chairman of the anti-Freddy Adu fanclub I think we should talk about Bobby Wood and his seeing first team action at 1860 Munchen instead. It’s much more interesting.

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  10. Posted by John on 2011/01/31 at 9:15 AM

    BBC has reported that Adu is for sure heading for rizespor.

    Side note, I am the vice-chaiman of the anti-Freddy Adu fanclub

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  11. Posted by phlub on 2011/01/31 at 10:39 AM

    Edu’s overall performance was pretty superb (great attacking runs, distribution, and solid defense as usual) in that League Cup match, not just the super strike. He deserves equal consideration (to JJ) as MB’s partner moving forward.

    And I don’t really understand why Adu has struggled so much to hold down a starting role in a low-level European squad. His performances and potential talent don’t seem to really disproving anything recently. He shouldn’t be expected to score that much, but he does score. He hasn’t had injury problems. How did he not fit into the Aris plans? I have to assume that he is just such a specialty type player (relatively small, quick, play-maker, attacking midfielder) that a lot of teams’ formations don’t quite fit.

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    • It’s undeniable that Freddy has skill and field awareness. He’s an excellent passer (every bit as good as anyone on our national team) and has a real nose for goal. On the other hand, he’s very small and gets knocked around a lot. He isn’t as fast as you’d expect. He doesn’t like to defend and doesn’t do it well.

      Very few teams have the luxury of carrying a midfielder/withdrawn forward who does nothing but attack. Until he wraps his mind around the fact that he’s required to play hard all over the field, he won’t survive.

      I think he needs to swallow his pride and come back to MLS where he can improve his skills on all fronts. He’d also be on the radar of the national team coaches if he still has that as an ambition.

      Overall, I think the best thing for him might be that he’s generally considered a bust. He’s only 20, and he has time to get it in gear. It’ll be a lot easier for him without the burden of all the expectations that were loaded on him when he joined DCU at 14. I think it’s all mental at this point.

      As an final note, he’s a really nice kid. I’ve chatted with him many times at matches and at reserve games. He’s very good with fans. I’d like to see him grow his game and succeed.

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  12. Posted by John on 2011/01/31 at 10:47 AM

    Reports indicate that Adam is going to Liverpool for 14 million.

    This transfer window is madness.

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    • Posted by GeorgeCross on 2011/01/31 at 10:57 AM

      Blackpool have already got Charlie Adam’s replacement Andy Reid… I wonder how much Ian Holloway will pocket out of that 14M?

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    • Posted by KickinNames... on 2011/01/31 at 2:31 PM

      I love what Adam has done with BPool with Holloway giving him Gerrard-like free rein to spray the ball all over the pitch. Great to watch and root for a guy with a beer league physique having a go at the big time.
      I just don’t think he’s a guy who makes that jump to the next level. Especially with Gerrard already there spraying the ball all over the pitch. LPool began to disintegrate when Mascherano checked out. The need a CDM with some bit and drive. That’s not Charlie Adams. Good luck to him but this has all the makings of square peg/round hole.

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  13. Posted by Mud on 2011/01/31 at 11:38 AM

    Thanks for throwing some West Ham notes in there bud! There are a few of us on here.! -MyName1sMud

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  14. Posted by John on 2011/01/31 at 11:57 AM

    Incidentally, the new rumor is…

    Tottenham are closing in on a £30m deal for Villarreal striker Guiseppe Rossi.

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  15. Posted by John on 2011/01/31 at 12:28 PM

    Aston Villa confirm that Michael Bradley has joined on loan from Borussia Monchengladbach to the end of the season.

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    • Posted by Paula on 2011/01/31 at 12:51 PM

      Aston Villa site today = we can’t have enough shots of Michael Bradley holding up the shirt.

      On a side note, I believe it’s the third time I’ve seen junior smile.

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    • Posted by KickinNames... on 2011/01/31 at 1:12 PM

      That’s getting to be a pretty crowded midfield at Aston. Hope he can keep a regular spot. It will be very interesting both where he plays and how he performs at the pace of EPL. Wish for the best and hope that it matures him as a player. All good things for the USMNT as long as he keep his spot.

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  16. Posted by phlub on 2011/01/31 at 12:44 PM

    Turkish reports have Altidore going to Bursaspor on loan. He didn’t dress yesterday for Villarreal. In the mean time Rossi’s goal was insane.

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  17. Posted by Kevin on 2011/01/31 at 3:10 PM

    Not transfer related, but certainly news…

    MLS is announcing big change/changes tomorrow at 3:30 ET live on MLSsoccer.com http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/mls-set-make-major-announcement-tuesday
    I don’t know how much they’re trying to hype it as opposed to how big the news actually will be, but still, reading some peoples comments is quite amusing.

    Egypt friendly is canceled. http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/us-vs-egypt-friendly-cairo-canceled

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  18. Posted by John on 2011/01/31 at 3:21 PM

    Tottenham forward Giovani Dos Santos has joined Spanish side Racing Santander on loan until the end of the season.

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  19. Posted by John on 2011/01/31 at 3:31 PM

    Hmmm, from NESN.com

    Jozy Altidore joining La Liga side Levante on loan from Villareal.

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  20. Posted by dth on 2011/01/31 at 4:01 PM

    More odd/crazy transfer market decisions, apparently: Tottenham making move for Charlie Adam. Why?

    Not really a winger; another central midfielder in a club that has tons of them; a slow guy for a team that loves to play uptempo. I don’t get it.

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    • Posted by John on 2011/01/31 at 4:07 PM

      Panic Buy?

      Bizarre.

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      • Posted by John on 2011/01/31 at 5:01 PM

        From the BBC

        Harry Redknapp has confirmed that Tottenham did make a bid – that was accepted – for Blackpool midfielder Charlie Adam late in the day, but that the deal fell through because “a couple of Blackpool shareholders” just failed to get the necessary signatures on the paperwork in time. So near. So far. So Tottenham.

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  21. Posted by John on 2011/01/31 at 4:47 PM

    Torres showing his quality.

    “It is the dream for every top class footballer to play at a top class club and now I can do that.”

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  22. Posted by mbw on 2011/01/31 at 7:17 PM

    Word is that Traffic Sports asked a prohibitive price for Gale. Beautiful. Rongen, Bradley, and Sunil ought to think up a legal strategy for getting that contract voided. . . .

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    • Posted by dth on 2011/01/31 at 7:50 PM

      It’s awful.

      Highest ceiling of any US u20 player, I’d say–even slightly higher than Agudelo.

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      • Posted by mbw on 2011/01/31 at 8:22 PM

        What effect do you think this will have on his development? Do many/most young players make it through this kind of situation?

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        • Posted by dth on 2011/01/31 at 8:41 PM

          Only a bad one: can’t get better unless you’re getting games. How’s he going to get games–u20s and one of Traffic’s teams? Clearly inadequate.

          Then there’s the bad reputation they’re picking up: why would anyone bother with Gale if they know Traffic is just going to make things difficult for them? It also seems like bad business for Traffic–if a club decided never to deal with a Traffic client ever, I’d think that’s totally reasonable, given what we know of their business practices. Well, if that happens, who’s going to buy Traffic’s players? Seems like a whole lot of folly to go around.

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