Posted 2011/03/10 by matthewsf in Americans Abroad. 43 Comments
Simple question. Simple answer?
Which American leads for the title of best American abroad campaign, 2010-2011?
Posted by John Henry on 2011/03/10 at 12:16 PM
I voted for Rossi, but surprised Subotic hasn’t received one vote. Borussia Dortmund are crushing.
Posted by John Henry on 2011/03/10 at 12:22 PM
I guess maybe he’s not quite as “american” as the others. Wasn’t born here. Didn’t live here for that long. Doesn’t suit up in the Stars and Stripes.
I was going to say, if not Rossi, then it’s got to be Dempsey. But then I thought, well… actually Cherundolo. But Holden’s been great too. And then Edu has scored some very dramatic goals in important games (Europa, and didn’t he get the winner the Old Firm earlier this season?). Good year for Yanks Abroad.
Posted by Matt on 2011/03/10 at 12:30 PM
Rossi was born in New Jersey
Posted by John Henry on 2011/03/10 at 1:53 PM
Yeah, I was referring to Subotic.
Posted by John on 2011/03/10 at 12:59 PM
Hard to catch Dortmund games and for that matter Hanover games, so hard to evaluate defense. Much easier to see a scoreline and know that Rossi is scoring or Dempsey is scoring. (and) Mutch easier to watch the EPL stars, rather than the Bundesliga stars.
Posted by Matt on 2011/03/10 at 12:23 PM
Why is “Traitor Rossi” even on this list?
Posted by matthewsf on 2011/03/10 at 1:34 PM
Doesn’t that comment get old? Impersonally, I think–and not to ignite the discussion–if you’re fine with Tim Chandler, Jermaine Jones and others playing for the States, then you’re ok if Rossi makes his decision.
Posted by Biggy on 2011/03/10 at 7:39 PM
yeah but at some point he is no longer American. He can be Italian-American or whatever, but I don’t consider him part of Americans Abroad. He is an Italian in Spain at this point.
Posted by M.Ricci on 2011/03/10 at 12:31 PM
Why is Rossi and Subotic on this list? They are not American… they don’t play for the USMNT they should not be considered American
Posted by John on 2011/03/10 at 1:00 PM
Hate to surprise you with this, but you CAN be American and not play for the National Team.
Posted by Nick on 2011/03/10 at 12:33 PM
Posted by Mark F on 2011/03/10 at 1:15 PM
I agree with a comment up there, if you choose NOT to play for the USMNT, in my eyes, your not American. IMO.
Posted by Brian on 2011/03/10 at 1:26 PM
Subotic and Rossi are American, but I don’t consider them to be “Americans Abroad” since they don’t play for the national team, so I voted for Cherundolo. The best right back, and arguably the best defender the US has ever produced. An American captain taking his team to the Champions League? That would be pretty awesome
Posted by Berniebernier on 2011/03/10 at 2:06 PM
I haven’t really thought about that but it gave me chills. We could have not just an American playing in the Champions League (which we have had a number before and have some currently) but he would likely be the Captain of the team.
Honestly this mught be the only chance an American has of doing this for quite a long time.
Who do you guys think would have the next chance?
Posted by Brian on 2011/03/10 at 4:45 PM
That’s a tough one. Honestly I would say no one among the current crop of USMNT players/Americans Abroad. If I had to pick someone I would say Holden or Bradley, but their current clubs will never make the Champions League, and who knows if they’ll ever be named captain of any club team, period.
The better question might be who will be the next American to captain his (European) club team. I think we’ve only had a few, right? McBride, Reyna, and now Dolo?
Posted by Berniebernier on 2011/03/10 at 5:01 PM
The obvious candidate is Dempsey at Fulham. He is the most senior player and Danny Murphy is getting up in years. Assuming he doesn’t go elsewhere he would be an easy choice.
If Dempsey leaves… I could see Holden because he is good but at least currently not good enough to leave for greener pastures. Not sure I see him making a jump to a Champions League team anytime soon (I am sure someone will tell me differently) and being in the MF, knowing that Coyle loves him, and Davies at 33. He has a shot but…
I still bet Dempsey. I don’t think he leaves in the summer. As a Fulham fan if they make a move would rather see them sell Zamora than Dempsey (preferably neither).
Posted by Nick on 2011/03/10 at 9:03 PM
John Harkes will probably tell you he was made captain of Sheffield Wednesday after picking up the goal of the year award back in 199-something.
Posted by Fireball on 2011/03/10 at 10:27 PM
Didn’t Boca captain Fulham at one point? And Friedel at one point?
Posted by John on 2011/03/10 at 1:35 PM
“Simple question. Simple answer?”
Oh you tricky Shin Guardian…. queue the popcorn and excitement.
My final Salvo in this, since we are placing technicalities on voting. Everyone with dual citizenship doesn’t count.
So off the list goes:
Which leaves us with Bradley and Dempsey.
So I’ll go with Dempsey.
Posted by M.Ricci on 2011/03/10 at 1:49 PM
It has nothing to do with dual citizenship… it has to do with making a conscience decision of turning your back on The US and USMNT … If people in Scotland hated Holden and considered him not Scottish I would completely understand.
Posted by John on 2011/03/10 at 1:50 PM
#1 Why do you hate someone you don’t even know?
Why would you be ok if the Scottish “Hated” Holden.
They made a choice, and good for them.
Posted by Rich B on 2011/03/10 at 1:49 PM
I hated Rossi scoring against the US and called him a traitor over and over at the time but I realize it’s no different than any other dual citizenship player choosing the US. If we can’t deal with a player here and there choosing to play for another country in which they’re eligible for, we shouldn’t brag when different players elect to play for the US.
Just think how much people in Congo will hate US soccer if Danny Mwanga does play for us instead. He’d be their best player, just as Rossi would (arguably) be ours.
Posted by John on 2011/03/10 at 1:51 PM
*Cough Andy Najar.
Posted by Brian on 2011/03/10 at 4:47 PM
Dolo and Edu have dual citizenship?
Posted by Jennifer on 2011/03/10 at 5:00 PM
That’s my question. Dolo might have it now because he’s been living in Germany for over a decade and is married to a German woman, but I don’t think he would fit in with the dual-citizenship if this is true. He’s been playing for the U.S. his whole career.
Posted by John on 2011/03/10 at 5:46 PM
Edu has Nigerian/American.
Posted by Really? on 2011/03/10 at 1:51 PM
It’s a really close tie between Dempsey and Holden. If Dempsey exceeds McBride’s record, I’d say he earned it.
Rossi and Subotic don’t count, they shouldn’t be on this list.
Posted by John Henry on 2011/03/10 at 1:56 PM
Please let’s not turn this into an SBI-quality argument/tirade about who is and isn’t American, and what that even means.
Posted by Ufficio on 2011/03/10 at 2:04 PM
I would also leave Rossi/Subotic off the list. They’re Americans, and have the right to choose their national team as they wish, but I think it makes the choice more interesting/relevant to fans of the USMNT without them.
Posted by John on 2011/03/10 at 2:05 PM
Quite note. Nowhere in the post did it say USMNT.
Posted by Ufficio on 2011/03/10 at 2:13 PM
I know. I’m saying that “Best USMNT-pooler Campaign Abroad” is a more interesting and relevant question. To me at least. Maybe to others as well, but I only made a claim as to what I would do.
Posted by Carlos on 2011/03/10 at 3:00 PM
Rossi & Subotic… while technically Americans they turned their backs to the USA in choosing to represent another country.
While I respect their rights to be able choose which country they feel more loyalty towards, but once they made that choice, for me they ceased to be Americans.
Same goes for others Jones,Chandler?, etc. Once they decide to represent the Stars & Strips, they become for me Americans.
Posted by Russell on 2011/03/10 at 3:11 PM
The problem with leaving Subotic and Rossi on this list (in addition to it making me say for the 1000X f’ing hell it’d be nice for their talent to be on the USMNT)is that turns the conversation into what it means to be “American”. Does Subotic even maintain a US passport?
I would rather discuss Holden v Dempsey v Friedel v Howard
Posted by Jennifer on 2011/03/10 at 5:16 PM
Even though Dempsey, Rossi, and Holden have had an amazing year so far I voted for Cherundolo. With the league he plays in and the type of player he is he doesn’t get as much notice as he should. He’s captaining a team, that if you exclude the horrors of last season, has generally been a mid-tier team since their move to the Bundesliga, that is now in third place.
Posted by dude on 2011/03/10 at 6:15 PM
Subotic, hands down, as much as we’d like to ignore it. The one we actually had a chance at.
Posted by dth on 2011/03/10 at 11:11 PM
Hmm…it’s difficult to determine between Rossi and Subotic, I think.
Rossi is by far the best player for a very good Villarreal team (that have faded a bit). Subotic, on the other hand, isn’t even the best centerback…but it might just be the 3rd-best team in Europe. I give the edge to Rossi because he always plays; Subotic, on the other hand, has missed games through injury and suspension and been ably backed up by Santana.
Posted by mbw on 2011/03/10 at 10:49 PM
Rossi is currently the best American-born player by a country mile. Tim Howard, despite a few low moments, has been the most valuable to his team, other than Rossi and maybe Dempsey (witness the Man City game and Chelsea in the FA Cup). Subotic is having an excellent year on a stellar team. Holden is having a breakout year and is playing a major role on an overachieving team. Dempsey has been good, as usual (and has had to be). Jonathan Spector has revived his career.
Leaving Rossi aside, I voted for Cherundolo. Captaining a Bundesliga side to the Champions League must be one of the great achievements ever by an American abroad. That he’s currently running fourth in this poll boggles my mind.
Posted by John Henry on 2011/03/11 at 6:35 AM
Yeah, Cherundolo gets very little lauds and respect for what he has actually accomplished. Going into the World Cup, people (myself included) were like, “well, I mean, he can’t be worse than Spector.” But then he was one of the top three players for the US. I smile to remember how badly he eviscerated Milner in that first match. Good on him. Let’s hope Hannover stick it out and make the Champions League.
Posted by americanfutbol on 2011/03/11 at 2:16 AM
Had to go with Rossi. If I had a time machine I’d kidnap him, put him in it, and somehow convince him to play for the USA.
The “poaching” of players is part of the international game, and I’m always a little bit surprised at the lashing out Rossi (or other potential USA players who switch national allegiances) receives. The USA got the raw end of the deal with Rossi but we have been, and will be again, on the good end of similar situations. If he scores against us in a future World Cup match, however, I doubt I can remain so neutral.
Enough of my ranting. Dempsey runs a close second in my opinion for his campaign with Fulham.
Posted by s44 on 2011/03/11 at 9:23 AM
“The USA got the raw end of the deal with Rossi but we have been, and will be again, on the good end of similar situations.”
If you just look at it as a matter of player movement, then sure.
But Rossi and his family *came to the US* for its opportunities. His dad worked a government job (of all things) here. They chose the US for their lives but can’t be bothered to choose it for sports? Not cool.
Najar picking the US, though perhaps equally as devastating to Honduras from the player perspective, wouldn’t be the same thing.
Posted by Jake C on 2011/03/11 at 9:21 AM
Gotta be Dolo for me. He and Herr Lahm (see the resemblance) are two of my favorite players, period.
Posted by Chris on 2011/03/11 at 11:44 AM
It’s not as simple as it is made. Best campaign = best player OR best performance OR best for American soccer and the fans …etc. It’s up to interpretation.
As far as football as a whole including visible profile in the US…I think it would be between Howard and Dempsey…and I voted for Dempsey on his form this season – and for his hard work ethic in the Cup (I know he gets a lot of flack for his contributions, or apparent lack thereof- but I thought he was a workhorse).
As far as potential achievement – If Hannover qualify for the UCL – Cherundolo – by far…what an incredible achievement – and Holden is placed in a spot with very high potential. Anyway my thoughts…not too familiar with Subotic’s playing other than by reputation as being an formidable defender.
Posted by Woody on 2011/03/12 at 5:45 AM
This a soccer blog. Rossi and Subotic are not part of American soccer, so I have no idea why they are on the list. Traitor is the wrong word but in the same way Cleveland hates Lebron, I have no love and wish no success to Rossi. I don’t know why he would appear on a soccer blog as American when he clearly wants to be thought of as Italian. Shouldn’t we grant his wish?
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