Klinsmann Tabs 22 For October Friendlies

Dempsey...on the approach...

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Gk: Tim Howard, Bill Hamid, Nick Rimando

Def: Carlos Bocanegra, Oguchi Onyewu, Tim Chandler, Steve Cherundolo, Michael Orozco, Tim Ream, Jonathan Spector

Mid: Clint Dempsey, Kyle Beckerman, Maurice Edu, Michael Bradley, Jeff Larentowicz, Danny Williams, Brek Shea, DaMarcus Beasley

Fw: Landon Donovan, Jozy Altidore, Juan Agudelo, Teal Bunbury

Note: Clarence Goodson was originally included on the roster. He has not been called.

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72 responses to this post.

  1. Posted by Alex on 2011/09/29 at 1:23 PM

    I don’t like how defensive our midfield depth is. We have a basic sense inwho are starters are going to be, but there isn’t a single attacking mid on the bench. Maybe a winger or two but I’m counting at least 5 defensive mids, 3 attacking mid/wingers, and 3 forwards.

    Btw, I’m pretty sure Beasley was called in as a FW.

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  2. Posted by chazcar2 on 2011/09/29 at 1:40 PM

    Given the “defenders” on this list do you think its possible they play with only three at the back? Also, I check US soccer, they have beasley as a forward.

    Lineup?
    howard
    Spector-Boca-Ream
    Dempsey-Bradley-Beckerman/edu-Shea
    Donovan-Altidore-Beasley

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    • Posted by Dinho on 2011/09/29 at 1:47 PM

      Whoa!! 3 in the back is one thing, but 3 in the back with Spector and Ream? What about Dolo and Chandler?

      I don’t mind the rest of your lineup, but that 3 (if any) will not and should not happen. Right?

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      • Posted by Cory on 2011/09/29 at 5:17 PM

        I could see Dolo and Chandler as wingbacks in a 5 man midfield, but neither of them belong on a 3 man backline.

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      • Posted by chazcar2 on 2011/09/30 at 6:38 AM

        To me, you don’t want three centerbacks in your three man line. You also don’t want use an undersized full back on there either. You want to outside players to cover the wings with one of the midfielders join the defensive line as necessary.

        Options:
        LB-Ream, Boca,
        CB-Boca, Gooch
        RB-Spector, Chandler, Orozco, Dolo
        DM-Edu, Beckerman, Bradley

        3-4-3 diamond (3-3-3-1?)
        -Chandler—Boca—Ream-
        ———Edu/Beckerman——-
        –Bradley—————-Shea–
        ————Dempsey———-
        Donovan–Altidore–Beasley

        3-5-2 option 1
        Chandler-Gooch-Boca
        —-Edu——Beckerman—-
        Donovan–Bradley—Shea
        —–Altidore—Dempsey

        3-5-2 option 2
        —–Spector-Boca-Ream—–
        Chandler—Edu–Bradley—-Shea
        —————Dempsey————
        —Donavon————Altidore—

        4-3-3

        Dolo-Gooch-Boca-Chandler
        —–Bradley–Beckerman—
        ———–Dempsey———
        Donavon–Altidore—Beasley

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  3. Posted by Dinho on 2011/09/29 at 1:51 PM

    I think Benny deserves a call over Larentowitz. Except for Dempsey (who is not really a center mid), there is not one attacking center midfielder in that group. That is a problem for me.

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  4. Posted by GeorgeCross on 2011/09/29 at 1:54 PM

    Howard
    Cherundolo, Onyewu, Bocanegra, Chandler
    Beckerman, Bradley
    Donovan, Dempsey, Shea
    Altidore

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    • Posted by mbw on 2011/09/29 at 2:11 PM

      I think now is the time to move Dolo to left back. Chandler is a rising star for this cycle and should be playing in his best position. Dolo may very well have a place in the starting lineup in Brazil — but not, pending injuries, at right back.

      WCQ for the US starts in June.

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      • Posted by GeorgeCross on 2011/09/29 at 2:20 PM

        But he is still your best option, especially as Chandler isn’t cap tied to the US yet. Plus, I think the Donovan-Cherundolo is a good tandem. Until Cherundolo cannot keep up with the pace, I think he starts at RB. However, 2014 is a long way away.

        You have time until WCQ starts, so the results aren’t too important. Not as if the FIFA seedings will make a difference for you. It is all about being ready in 9 months.

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        • Posted by justin on 2011/09/29 at 4:29 PM

          agreed, Chandler is definantly better at right back. But played very well in the left against belgium on the defensive end. He held one of the best u-20 players in the world in check in eden hazard. Yes, he’s not an offensive threat as much, but I don’t know if he can send a better cross in from than Dolo.

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          • Posted by GeorgeCross on 2011/09/30 at 3:06 PM

            Just to clarify: I was referring to Cherundolo being 1st choice RB [for now].

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    • Posted by justin on 2011/09/29 at 4:24 PM

      I agree totally on this lineup. I don’t think klinsi has linking cm as he had in torres in this roster. I think the only other players who could play that role are kljestan and holden. I don’t see bradley playing this role.

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      • Posted by BernieBernier on 2011/09/30 at 8:26 AM

        While I have no problem with the line-up per se I do take issue with Klinsman switching back from a 4-3-3 to a 4-2-3-1. We kept hearing about how we shouldn’t worry about results and its a process that will pay off. We kept hearing about players learning their role in the system. I have been one of those people saying don’t worry they are friendlies that are a long time away from games that matter.

        If we are switching to a 4-2-3-1 does that mean that all the time at the last camp spent learning the positions and responsibilities in a 4-3-3 was wasted?

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  5. Posted by The Dude on 2011/09/29 at 1:58 PM

    Shouldn’t Klinsmann be cycling more players in and out in these friendlies? We went from “I am going to look at a lot of different players” to a set 18 or so pretty fast there.

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    • Posted by GeorgeCross on 2011/09/29 at 2:01 PM

      When do your WCQs start?

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    • Posted by BernieBernier on 2011/09/29 at 2:56 PM

      He has maintained that he wants to cycle in a couple players at a time. This allows people to get a fair evaluation. This is also very different than Bradley where he would have “B” camps often without a single guy from the starting 11. Obviously the trade-off for better looks is fewer people.

      Has anyone asked Taylor Twellman his thoughts on this strategy?

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    • Posted by justin on 2011/09/29 at 10:01 PM

      Question 1:
      Do world cup qualifiers and the olympics and their qualifiers conflict at all in the scheduling?

      Guesses:
      It looks like Klinsi really wants to keep the uncapped youngins and the older boys separate. Although I still don’t understand 5 or so of these picks. Places where we have some of experience/depth i think klinsi is going to allow people like gatt/mix/gil/ to grow alittle with the olympic team. I don’t know if omar gonzalez is in better form than goodson, onyewu, or boca. So he may be waiting on the olympics.

      Ream is really our next best left foot cb (that’s not injured). That is my only reasoning there.

      The young guys that have been called have either already proven themselves at their position (agudelo, chandler, shea). Or because of lack of depth (bunbury, ream (as stated), williams (LB i’m guessing))

      My 3 biggest question marks on who’s left off the roster have to be: Kljestan, G. John, and of course J. Bornstein

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      • Posted by justin on 2011/09/29 at 10:04 PM

        Ps, if there are this many questions why we don’t have all of these young guys on the roster on the national team, that makes me pretty excited about the olympics next summer, and that we have a nice group of 19-23 year olds.

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  6. Posted by dth on 2011/09/29 at 2:02 PM

    This is a pretty bizarre roster. There are too many old players; moreover, they’re not irreplaceable old players either. Not too many people were thinking in 2009: “You know, I wish Bradley would call up Jeff Larentowicz!”

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    • Posted by Alex on 2011/09/29 at 2:32 PM

      He’s clearly trying to make sure we have hit every ethnicity base on our roster, as a symbolism of the melting pot that is the US. Gingers need loving too!

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  7. Posted by mbw on 2011/09/29 at 2:13 PM

    Does anyone know what position Danny Williams actually plays?

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    • Posted by Marc C on 2011/09/29 at 2:15 PM

      Does anyone know who Danny Williams actually is? I consider myself pretty up to date on all the US players, but he is new to me…

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    • Posted by dth on 2011/09/29 at 2:23 PM

      Utility player–has played at right back, defensive midfielder and even a bit of left back.

      He’s certainly competent.

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  8. Posted by BernieBernier on 2011/09/29 at 2:22 PM

    Rather than do a roster I am thinking a depth chart:

    G: obvious
    RB: Dolo/Chandler
    CB: Boca/Goodson/Orozco/Gooch/Ream
    LB: Chandler

    DM: Edu/Bradley/Spector/Beckerman/Larenowicz
    LinkMF: ???
    AM: Dempsey/Donovan

    LF: Shea/Beasely
    RF: Donovan/Williams
    CF: Teal/Altidore/Agudelo

    This means either he is abandoning the 4-3-3 (which I hope not) and shifting to a 4-2-3-1 or he seems two players in I put in the DM bucket as LinkMFers…

    Game 1
    Howard
    Dolo-Boca-Gooch-Chandler
    Beckerman
    Bradley
    Dempsey
    Donovan-Altiodre-Shea

    Thats not too bad considering that many people thought that Bradley wasn’t a #6 (I think he is better suited for that then he is for the Torres/Holden role).

    Game 2
    Hamid
    Dolo-Goodson-Ream-Chandler
    Spector
    Edu
    Dempsey
    Williams-Agudelo-Beasley

    Teal comes on in both games. We get to see Agudelo over 75 rather than as a second half sub. See what Spector can do.

    Orozco over a LB might mean that Klinis is going to go back on his word and move Boca back out to LB at least for a game. Not sure what Larenowicz means or why he is there.

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  9. Looks to me we’ll go with a 4-2-3-1 in these two games.

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  10. Posted by dth on 2011/09/29 at 3:15 PM

    I also think it’s a bit strange that Klinsmann hasn’t yet called up Diskerud given that:
    a) He’s a dual-national and getting a lot of attention and heat in the Norwegian press
    b) He’s playing really well in Norway
    c) He’s playing really well at Torres’s position.

    Really poor decision. It’s stuff like this that makes me skeptical of the Klinsmann era.

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    • Posted by Crow on 2011/09/29 at 3:27 PM

      ^This

      I think these were the friendlies to call in Diskerud (especially with Torres and Holden injured indefinitely) and maybe Gatt to see if they could potentially help the senior team soon. I know the Olympics are next year but this would have been a good time to bring those guys in.

      I don’t understand Orozco Fiscal (don’t need to see him ever again) and Ream (poor form) over John and Gonzalez.

      I don’t mind Gooch and Beasley being called in due to their form and like the Danny Williams pick.

      I’m willing to reserve judgment until we are into WCQ in 2013, though.

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    • Posted by mbw on 2011/09/29 at 3:28 PM

      Ditto George John, who’s playing really well at Orozco’s position (unlike Orozco). Too soon to panic — but I hope he’s at least TALKED to these guys. . . .

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    • Posted by Ufficio on 2011/09/29 at 3:51 PM

      Yep. We could very well be saying “αντίο” to George John before long as well.

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    • Posted by matthewsf on 2011/09/29 at 4:04 PM

      He’s not really playing Torres role. He’s more attacking than a hub. But even more so he would be able to play the CAM role.

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      • Posted by dth on 2011/09/29 at 6:39 PM

        I’ll admit to not seeing him recently, but when I did see him he was playing a role analogous to Cleverley’s at United…which to me makes him a better fit for the Torres role than the #10-type role.

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        • Posted by matthewsf on 2011/09/29 at 7:13 PM

          Cleverly is not a bad comp for. But Cleverley is a little bit more box to box than Mix.

          On a weird way a good comp for Diskerud is Maxi Rodriguez. He can distribute and dictate the game but he’s not a pure hub passer like Torres, Xavi or Sneijder.

          He’s more Maxi able to score if necessary. He’s been used as a CAM, winger and linking mid but nor as a holder in Norway.

          If I were to compare him to an MLS player it would be a Feilhaber, or rich man’s Andy Williams or a more possessive Nagbe.

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    • Posted by justin on 2011/09/29 at 4:33 PM

      +1
      I think it would have been good to call in at least one linking mid instead of having 6 defensive midfielders on the roster

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  11. Posted by Union on 2011/09/29 at 3:35 PM

    Interesting roster. Not a big fan, but I think this is what we need to expect from Jurgen. To me, this is a “I need to get my first win” roster. He is smart enough to know that if the US continues to lose friendlies, the media is going to start coming after him. It’s not time to experiment.

    I also think this offers a sobering view of our player pool. Clearly Klinsmann doesn’t think it is all that deep bc we are seeing the same faces. Maybe Gonzalez will be in his plans once the MLS season is over and he’s not including him as a favor to Arena. Holden is a big blow, no doubt he would have been helpful. It’s nice to hear that Fabian Johnson had his FIFA eligibility changed to the US, after he recovers from his injury he will be a big boost to the roster. I disagree with his approach with Gatt, Diskerud and some of the other young guys, but at least he’s staying consistent. Jurgen’s approach isn’t unlike the approach of most top 10 international coaches; unless you are a player like Messi, Neymar, Ozil, Wilshire you probably won’t be cracking the senior squad until you’re no longer eligible for the U-21 teams. I just think that the US’s most experienced players are way too old and thus Jurgen needs to bring the young guys into the mix sooner rather than later. Even if that means rushing certain players a bit.

    I dunno. It’s definitely boring, but I expected that. It’s nice to see that he is getting the German guys into the mix. But I think its inexcusable that players Gonzalez are being left off of the roster in favor of guys like Fiscal. Overall, I still trust what he’s doing. It will come together eventually, but there will be plenty of moments like this.

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    • Posted by Martin on 2011/09/29 at 6:05 PM

      From UNION

      “I just think that the US’s most experienced players are way too old and thus Jurgen needs to bring the young guys into the mix sooner rather than later. Even if that means rushing certain players a bit.
      I dunno. It’s definitely boring, but I expected that. It’s nice to see that he is getting the German guys into the mix. But I think its inexcusable that players Gonzalez are being left off of the roster in favor of guys like Fiscal. “

      From USSF website:
      “We would like to continue seeing our players develop through these initial couple of months,” said Klinsmann. “One important thing is to see continuity in the build-up of our national team and also in the way we work as coaches. We’d like to see new faces as well, but we also don’t want to shake up the core structure of the team too much. The two results with Costa Rica and Belgium didn’t work in our favor but we saw clearly that the team started to understand what we demand from them in terms of pace, playing style and how to play. We are definitely on the right path, and what we now need to focus on in this get together is the eagerness to finish things off up front.”
      All but three of the players on the roster have been in camp since Klinsmann took the helm in August. Two-time World Cup defender Oguchi Onyewu returns to the fold, along with Real Salt Lake goalkeeper Nick Rimando, while Danny Williams get his first introduction into a U.S. camp. Born in Germany, the 21-year-old will be eligible to play for the United States after certifying his U.S. citizenship with the U.S. Consulate in Germany. “

      Union,

      RUSHING PLAYERS

      What value do you see in “rushing certain players”?

      In my experience if a manager rushes a player it is usually a negative as in the player isn’t really ready and his confidence (and his team) may suffer (see Theo Walcott, 2006 World Cup).

      It’s usually the player that rushes the manager i.e. the young guy performs so well the managers cannot ignore them ( See Michael Owen, 1998 World Cup or Tim Chandler).

      If guys like Mixx and Gatt were doing this now, then the next step will be a move to a tougher league either in January or next year. Then they can become the next American soccer saviour super stars just in time to make noise for inclusion in the 2014 squad.

      Until then my guess is Klinsmann is content to let them have a really good league season under their belt and have them in the Olympic team, which I know is something Mixx, in particular, has his heart very much set on.

      I’m sure they are doing well by USMNT fan standards but I’d feel better about it if they were doing it for a club in league ranked a little higher than 25 or 26 (ten places below Scotland’s SPL) in Europe.

      OMAR

      I’m curious as to why you say Gonzalez’s continued exclusion is “inexcusable”. Three games in? A bunch of friendlies? Your judgement seems harsh to me.

      JK lives in LA.

      He probably knows the Galaxy players better than any of us. He’s probably practiced with Omar. He probably speaks to Arena all the time.

      If JK doesn’t rate Omar then there is probably a good reason and you may never see him play for the USMNT while JK is around.

      Or it’s possible JK already knows enough good things about Omar that he can wait on bringing him in until he’s seen others. I see Omar as younger, inherently clumsier, inferior version of the pre-injury, Standard Liege Gooch. US fans have spent so much time blasting him, they forget how good Gooch can be when he’s really on.

      And since it seems that reports of Gooch’s demise may have been premature, it may be tough to fit Omar in.

      These first half dozen or so games for JK are more like extended training sessions than real games, though I agree with that person who said it seems like he may be going for a win real soon just to take the heat off.

      Including these two upcoming games the US may have four to six games left in this calendar year, then January camp and probably at least another half dozen games before WC qualifying. That gives JK another ten games or so to work things out, so I don’t see how anyone can say they see a “core group” , beyond the really obvious ones, yet.

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      • Posted by Union on 2011/09/29 at 7:28 PM

        I mean, it looks like you missed the entire tone of my post, and potentially the point as well. Generally speaking, I’m not in favor of rushing players. I said that we need to get younger guys in the mix, “even if it means rushing players a bit”. In other words, if Agudelo is fair game for call-ups, no reason Diskerud/Gatt shouldn’t be fair game. I’m not saying that we call up every single U-20 that has promise. I’m just saying, if there is ever a time to give them a look during the international calendar, its now. I like that Klinsmann is devoted to developing a solid core of players. And as I said in my post, I’m okay with him being reluctant to bring young guys in. I just think that its worth bringing in someone like Diskerud over someone like Larentowicz. Especially when Holden and Torres are down. And you bring up Walcott, I bring up Wilshire. It depends on the player. Walcott just isn’t that good, I don’t buy that he’s average bc of his experience with England’s senior team. He’s average bc he’s average. 2-3 friendlies every couple of months does NOT stunt one’s development, contrary to what many cynics seem to believe. Development happens at the club level, pulling a player out for 2-3 days of training plus a game doesn’t have the dramatic effect that a lot of people seem to think. I buy the argument that it places a lot of pressure on young players, but that’s about it.

        As for Gonzalez, first off, I’m not a huge Gonzalez guy. But I do think his omission is inexcusable, and I’m fine with saying that. Look around at the majority of opinions out there on this subject and you’ll see that I’m in the majority here. I’m aware of JK’s residence and I’m aware he’s close with the Galaxy. I just think he’s wrong here. Maybe, as I said, he’s not calling up Gonzalez bc of the Galaxy playoff run, who knows. I’m just saying, Fiscal shouldn’t be getting called up over Omar.

        And as for the person who thinks that Klinsmann is going for a win here and thats why the lineup is less experimental…yea that was me. So glad to see we agree on something :). In general, I’m in favor of what JK is doing. But I think a few choices are questionable.

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        • Posted by Martin on 2011/10/01 at 7:35 AM

          Sure they are questionable but that is to be expected.

          “In other words, if Agudelo is fair game for call-ups, no reason Diskerud/Gatt shouldn’t be fair game. I’m not saying that we call up every single U-20 that has promise. I’m just saying, if there is ever a time to give them a look during the international calendar, its now. I like that Klinsmann is devoted to developing a solid core of players. And as I said in my post, I’m okay with him being reluctant to bring young guys in. I just think that its worth bringing in someone like Diskerud over someone like Larentowicz.”
          “As for Gonzalez, first off, I’m not a huge Gonzalez guy. But I do think his omission is inexcusable, and I’m fine with saying that. Look around at the majority of opinions out there on this subject and you’ll see that I’m in the majority here. I’m aware of JK’s residence and I’m aware he’s close with the Galaxy. I just think he’s wrong here. Maybe, as I said, he’s not calling up Gonzalez bc of the Galaxy playoff run, who knows. I’m just saying, Fiscal shouldn’t be getting called up over Omar. “

          Obviously Klinsmann does not agree with you. It seems to me he has a reason for not bringing in Mixx and Gatt. It could be that he thinks they are not ready, they are not good enough, and they need more time, whatever. My point is none of us really know why since, to my knowledge he has never said why.

          You evaluate those guys by what you read and see over the internet and on DVD’s. Maybe you’ve even seen them in person.

          But Klinsmann has access to all the same reference material you do plus he presumably has access to a network of people in the game who evaluate players for a living. And none of us know how much contact he has had with them whether in person, on the phone or through intermediaries. And most important of all, his job survival depends on him being right.

          In other words I see no reason to think he doesn’t know at least as much about these guys as we do and I would think he knows a lot more.

          I believe it is early yet, he probably has a plan and I’m willing to wait for it to unfold even if I’m not really sure of all the reasons behind his moves. And if he’s wrong , he will get fired.

          You on the other hand, seem to want a detailed explanation for his every move. I think you see JK as your employee and expect him to give you his goals and expectations along with a weekly update on how it is going. That would be nice but I don’t think the fans get that from most national team managers.

          As for Gonzalez, just because you and most of the people on internet blogs think he should be called up doesn’t mean he should be. If that were a good idea then you certainly don’t need a manager. The USSF can just run a poll before every game.

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          • Posted by Gregorio on 2011/10/01 at 6:02 PM

            Martin you epoused some thought provoking items such as,”You evaluate those guys by what you read and see over the internet and on DVD’s. Maybe you’ve even seen them in person…I believe it is early yet, he (JK) probably has a plan and I’m willing to wait for it to unfold even if I’m not really sure of all the reasons behind his moves. ”

            But I do believe that your missing the point of this forum and others, that is to question, speculate, evaluate, criticize etc… right or wrong. We can demand answers from national team coaches, even though the the likelyhood of them being realistically answered is non-exisitant. So what? Isn’t it a tacit tenet of bloging or internet discussion on sites such as this one to have an expression of one’s ideas and opinions? They may not always be right, informed, or deviod of emotional discolorations of fact but they certainly add to our shared knowledge base. I encourage such discourse as long as it doesn’t resort to name calling or have rudimentary discussion on the basics of soccer.

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            • Posted by Union on 2011/10/01 at 6:39 PM

              +1. Yea I mean, Martin, with all due respect, your argument is pretty much “You don’t know more than Klinsmann and thus, you shouldn’t be criticizing him”. That type of logic dismisses not only those of us who enjoy posting opinions on the few legitimate US soccer forums around (thank god for this one), but it also dismisses just about every single person who opines on the sport. That includes journalists, broadcasters, casual fans, whoever. Surely you know that all of us speculate knowing full well that we aren’t privy to what goes on behind the scenes. That doesn’t mean we aren’t allowed to question what is happening. And, just bc I can’t resist. Nothing in my post implied that I think Klinsmann is my employee. That is an insane interpretation of what I said.

      • Gooch did a job for us under Bradley. Thank you, Gooch. It’s time to move on. The man simply cannot pass out of the back. No place for him in Klinsmann’s system.

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        • Posted by Martin on 2011/10/01 at 10:35 AM

          I guess we’ll find out soon enough if JK agrees with you.

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        • Posted by PanchoMiguelMoralesdeConejo on 2011/10/03 at 1:23 PM

          …if passing out of the back was the criteria to judge CB’s by…where would Boca fit?

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          • Posted by Jared on 2011/10/03 at 1:36 PM

            You can have one player who can’t pass well out of the back if he organizes the defense like Boca. When you pair him with Gooch the long balls start flying.

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    • Posted by Excellency on 2011/09/30 at 5:23 AM

      It is easier to measure something when it is the only change you make – the incremental piece added to an old puzzle. I don’t think we needed to make too many changes in the roster. I’m sure there are good reasons for excluding Gatt. It appears to me that JK wants to see how the old team does with Bradley added in. There does appear to be at least some delusion starting to set in with Klinsmann – wishful thinking if you like – a common ailment with US National coaches: He says he would like to see more “eagerness to finish things up front.” I’d rather have told the team I’d like to see more pieces of cake delivered to the table that can be finished off with easy enjoyment in a party setting with lots of people present.

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  12. Posted by justin on 2011/09/29 at 4:19 PM

    where is sacha klijestan?

    maybe i’m wrong, but I thought he’s one of the CMs with offensive talent? Isn’t one of our big problems connecting the midfield to the forward and 2 wings? This roster looks like a move from a linking midfielder to having two holding mids. We have 5 defensive midfielders on the roster, and 6 if you include Jon Spector. I am interested to see how Klinsi has this group of player roll out on to the field. This is what I think.

    cherundolo-onyewu/goodson-boca-chandler
    ——-bradley——–beckerman———–
    donovan———–dempsey———–shea
    ————–altidore—————–

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    • Posted by Union on 2011/09/29 at 5:11 PM

      Very good point re: Sacha, totally forgot about him.

      I also, to be honest, can’t fathom a scenario in which Larenowicz makes more sense than Freddy Adu, considering he plays the same position as Edu/Bradley/Beckerman and doesn’t play it anywhere near as well. I know Freddy isn’t in top form for Philly, but ..umm..he’s still more gifted talent-wise than most players in the pool. And furthermore, if the Gold Cup showed anything its that Freddy brings out his best in international competitions. So why not call him in?

      As I said above, I’m not going to second guess Klinsmann yet. But he might be a little too self-assured about his roster selection.

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    • Posted by dth on 2011/09/29 at 6:43 PM

      That’s an excellent question. He’s been playing very well, also. Some very strange decisions on this roster.

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    • Posted by Ufficio on 2011/09/29 at 7:30 PM

      So all the Americans playing in Europa league today won their games (with the exception of Altidore who scored his team’s only goal in a draw). All six of them got a call-up, with the exception of Kljestan.

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  13. Posted by Crow on 2011/09/29 at 5:28 PM

    Le Toux with a brace in the first 20 minutes! If there was a 2nd half MVP vote- he would be mine! And if Le Toux was a couple years younger, I would be calling for a National Team call up in a few years when he was eligible for a switch (if he was interested).

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  14. Posted by EFG on 2011/09/29 at 7:19 PM

    Interesting that nobody has Bradley potentially playing elsewhere besides a holding midfield considering for Chievo he’s playing a bit higher up the pitch. Not saying I’m advocating one way or the other, but maybe Klinsmann has noticed this?

    (Just playing Devil’s Advocate)

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    • Posted by justin on 2011/09/29 at 9:33 PM

      I might have seen it wrong, but the two games I’ve watched he’s been the right holding cm, taking turns going up with the left-holding cm. The game against napoli he was so far back, he was practically the second right fullback. However he did play some good diagonal balls to the left wing. That is why i can see him pairing with beckerman/edu with both taking turns going forward.

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    • Posted by GeorgeCross on 2011/09/30 at 11:24 AM

      Let’s ask this question EFG: If Klinsmann goes with a 4-2-3-1 or some sort of variation, can you ever see Bradley in the ‘offensive four’ (take your pick as to which one!)? Or would you see him as part of that double pivot in front of the back four, perhaps the MF who drops deep to pick up the ball from the CBs? This is what I imagine the gaffer will use when you play the better teams. Perhaps, with the exception of Mexico, he’ll play one DM vs. CONCACAF opposition, is a loose 4-3-3?

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      • Short answer: No, I don’t see him in the front four – especially with the current makeup of the squad.

        I asked the question mainly to see what kind of dialogue would be opened up and it was as I was expecting.

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        • Posted by GeorgeCross on 2011/09/30 at 12:37 PM

          So, there are plenty of Bradley fans here on TSG who think he has the offensive capabilities and trickery and doesn’t belong as a DM or DLP. So, with that in mind, does he still make the starting XI.

          Reminds me of fitting a certain Chelsea player into the England jigsaw puzzle. Obviously a good player but trying to accommodate him into the system…

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          • Posted by matthewsf on 2011/09/30 at 1:26 PM

            I think Bradley could be in a role that allows him to cover for Torres in advance of a holder. If that role exists…

            He needs to improve him positioning, but he’s also one of the few Yanks that makes runs into the box from a deeper lying position.


            In terms of fitting him in…I think he can compete for two or three spots in the midfield–it all depends on how Klinsmann keeps crafting that midfield.

            In actuality he’s probably better to cover over the backline in a role that you tell him. Stay here, chase errant guys down, make a safe pass.

            Though Edu is faster and a better tackler, Bradley is better distribution wise. Where he’ll face competition is from Beckerman–who is aging–but has better positional sense and better distribution.

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            • Posted by EFG on 2011/09/30 at 1:50 PM

              Could Edu fit in the Busquets/De Rossi role of the new ‘libero’ position? I can see him floating in and out between the CBs because of his defense, but he lacks the overall distribution skills. Would be interesting to see if that role could work with the USMNT.

          • Posted by Fellaini's_Fro on 2011/10/01 at 7:18 AM

            Nooooooooooooo. Has everyone forget the man formerly known as MB90′s propensity to dribble right at defenders and then lose the ball because he has demonstrated the exact opposite of what creativity is?

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  15. Posted by dth on 2011/09/29 at 8:10 PM

    we have visual evidence of another JOLAZO:

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    • My eyes do not deceive me, Jozy with a very nice first touch!

      Andy-4lakes

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      • Posted by Excellency on 2011/09/30 at 8:43 AM

        ok, so we have the player who can score that ball, Jozy, but who is going to deliver it to him?

        The center back is worried about the passer because the passer fakes right while passing the ball left in the same motion, just inches from the centerback who is now off balance and can’t stop the pass

        Where is that passer for the USA? Bradley thought it was Robbie Findley. Some people think it is Torres but can he dribble through a crowd? And what do his team mates think of Bradley’s short passes? I think USA can solve most of its problems before WC 2014 with the exception of play at the top of the box where I have seen nothing for 2 decades and there is no hope in sight.

        Sure, Klinsman has to solve the problems he can solve first but the vid of Jozy’s goal gave me yet one more opportunity to blow off some steam. tks

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        • Posted by dth on 2011/09/30 at 9:37 AM

          Yeah, a lot of people were getting on Jozy in the Costa Rica game…but the real problem there was Robbie Rogers, who hesitated on fifty bazillion passes to send Jozy offside.

          It’s really too bad Rogers crapped out at Heereenveen. Coulda been a contender, just doesn’t have the will.

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          • Posted by Gregorio on 2011/09/30 at 11:05 AM

            Rogers needs a change of scenery, a trip abroad would do him good. Maybe his last go round he wasn’t ready for it. I wonder if JK takes him under his wing and says go somewhere to up your game. I think he’s plateaued with Colombus.

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  16. Posted by scweeb on 2011/09/29 at 8:57 PM

    K so we have another 2 1/2 years tell world cup. So with that said is there any U-20 prospects that are being looked at or being molded under JK new system? Or are we still in the dark if JK has even begun to do anything with the youth system?

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    • Posted by Charlie G on 2011/09/30 at 7:17 AM

      Good question – I’ve been hungry for some info on U-20′s, Olympic team possibiities, etc. as London is less than a year off.

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  17. Posted by SamT on 2011/09/30 at 7:04 AM

    JK recounting his playing days at Monaco with a talented, young Djorkaeff as teammate and Wenger as their manager…

    “I had arguments with Arsene,” recalled Klinsmann during a roundtable with reporters. “‘Why don’t you play Djorkaeff? Why do you put him on the bench? He is such a great talent. Our team is not AC Milan.’ [Wenger] says, ‘Jurgen, because he doesn’t get it yet, to be a real focused professional.’

    “We didn’t win the championship then,” Klinsmann added, “but two years later Djorkaeff was a [French] national team player, and a couple of years after that he was a World Cup winner. He actually sacrificed one of our best players to teach him those lessons.”

    From a Jeff Carlisle piece over at ESPN.com. There is clearly a method and perspective to his young player callups. My guess is that he sees some players as ready, others not ready. And the whole MLS playoff stretch has to be a factor as well.

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  18. Posted by Jim on 2011/09/30 at 7:39 AM

    Michael Orozco??????? Bleh, I would have much rather seen any number of promising Def. currently starting in MLS to Orozco… Oh well.

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    • Really don’t understand why people are so down on Michael Orozco.

      It’s not as if he was at fault for the goals conceded in the games he’s started. He’s fast, quick and far better on the ball than any other CB we have. He is good dealing with quicker, trickier players and totally unlike our other CBs, he makes good recovering runs to stay in the play when he is beaten. Far more impressed with him than the MLS CBs I’ve seen. So where does the animosity come from?

      The US backline needs a CB of his description in order for the team to pressure higher up the pitch without being vulnerable to the ball in behind the back four. Or would you rather we press up the pitch trying to win the ball back and hope the big slow guys can outrun pacey forwards?

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      • Posted by dth on 2011/09/30 at 9:39 AM

        I think people are down on Orozco because they saw him be awful for the Union. And let’s not exaggerate here: Orozco was really, really bad. Like, one of the worst centerbacks in the league bad. Before that, Orozco got a stupid red card in the Olympics.

        He has to be really good to erase those impressions. Frankly, I think he’s only OK and have wanted a glimpse of a little George John for a while now.

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      • Posted by Crow on 2011/09/30 at 10:36 AM

        Yeah, I’m a Union fan and he was the worst defender on the worst defense in MLS last year. And I still have bad memories of the 2008 Olympics.

        I don’t think Orozco has been terrible in any of his games under Klinsmann, but he hasn’t really showed me anything.

        He’s kind of the Robbie Findley of CB’s. Sure he has the “skillset” we need for that position, but he just isn’t good enough for the international level.

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