Posted 2011/10/15 by matthewsf in Uncategorized. 66 Comments
Sure, it’s Liverpool vs. Manchester United.
But the weekend belongs to one man Stateside.
About 60K on hand to watch one of the greats prepare his exit. Here...Kasey Keller for Millwall...
Posted by dth on 2011/10/15 at 5:56 AM
The last time Ferguson set out with an aggressive lineup in a big game was the Champions League final and, well, you know.
Otherwise it’s break out the J.S. Park and ride Ferdinand/Vidic to safety (Vidic out today but you know what I mean…)
Posted by Jared on 2011/10/15 at 6:08 AM
True but this lineup is even less aggressive than normal. He’s playing essentially with 3 center backs (4 if you count Smalling on the right) even if Jones is technically in midfield.
Leaving Rooney out is another sign of a lack of aggression. He doesn’t want to put him in a situation to do something stupid since his head might not be right.
Posted by Jared on 2011/10/15 at 6:12 AM
That was weak. Giggs completely blows his job in the wall.
Posted by Antonio H. on 2011/10/15 at 6:28 AM
I despise when Hernandez scores but I also hate admitting that he’s really good at what he does.
On another note, Ajax vs AZ 1245 est espn3
Posted by Antonio H. on 2011/10/15 at 11:03 AM
Jozy’s trapping of the ball has been absolutely abismal.
Posted by Crow on 2011/10/16 at 11:12 AM
The AZ/Ajax game was one of the strangest games I’ve watched in awhile. AZ should have been up 3 or 4 nothing after dominating the opening minutes. And then Ajax dominated the rest of the game, even when a man down, and probably should have won.
Jozy was terrible on the ball but his movement seemed to be pretty good- a shame he didn’t get the ball back early on- he could have made it 3-0
Also, what was with the kids playing at halftime on the field. The one goalkeeper was standing IN the goal trying to stop shots. Those kids didn’t look that young, and being from the Netherlands I thought they would have above average soccer savvy.
Finally, I was not real impressed with that Ajax crowd. Seemed pretty lame to me.
Posted by Union on 2011/10/15 at 12:05 PM
Not watching Jozy, but man that Liverpool game was frustrating. I don’t get Sir. Alex’s lineup at all, but either way, Liverpool missed about 2-3 chances that a top flight team puts away. Kuyt works hard but his finishing is just…gross.
Posted by Crow on 2011/10/15 at 2:08 PM
Le Toux GOLAZO!
Posted by Crow on 2011/10/16 at 11:08 AM
But a pretty generic performance by the Union overall. A wasted opportunity to take control of the East. The goal let in by Mondragon was pretty soft.
Posted by matthewsf on 2011/10/15 at 2:27 PM
That’s a red card through and through for Henry BTW.
Posted by Abram on 2011/10/16 at 8:50 AM
But he’s Thierry Henry, he should never be given reds!
Posted by Antonio H. on 2011/10/15 at 7:06 PM
If anyone wants to know why there was Argy Bargy between Evra and Suarez. Let’s just say racism is still rampant in 2011 and fans aren’t the only problem.
Posted by Joe on 2011/10/15 at 9:07 PM
Kasey Keller is playing out of his mind. Too bad his defense is sleep-walking out their and setting up the SJ offense.
Posted by EFG on 2011/10/16 at 6:05 AM
Saturday’s matches were all well and good but the highlight of the weekend is today at 2:45p. Until then, I’ll be pacing around nervously trying to devise a healthier way to channel my compulsive need to drink something during games I’m nervous about.
Posted by Crow on 2011/10/16 at 11:16 AM
Who plays at 2:45 today? Sorry, but I can’t figure it out and its bugging me.
Posted by dikranovich on 2011/10/16 at 11:36 AM
roma v lazio. its the gladiator derby.
Posted by dikranovich on 2011/10/16 at 11:37 AM
check that: lazio v roma
Posted by Crow on 2011/10/16 at 11:40 AM
My friend who is a Roma friend would not be happy with me right now for not knowing. LOL.
Posted by EFG on 2011/10/16 at 12:44 PM
Typical derby thus far. Kind of chaotic and disjointed, full of fire.
Posted by dikranovich on 2011/10/16 at 8:01 AM
nice job junior. wasnt pretty, but it is a draw against table toppers juve. our boy almost had a game winning dish from a corner. scrappy all game, missed a couple of passes, but he mixed it up with some very talented players from one of the best teams in italy. junior is just too smart and too talented not to be in every major game for the usa. why would you not want a guy on your team who gets stronger as the game goes on? that is every managers dream player.
Posted by Jared on 2011/10/16 at 8:27 AM
Except for the managers of Aston Villa, Gladbach and until he earns it, the USMNT. It’s the missed passes that cost him at Villa and I think are probably the concern for Klinsmann as well.
Posted by dth on 2011/10/16 at 8:46 AM
For the umpeenth time, it wasn’t performance that got Bradley benched at ‘Gladbach.
Posted by Jared on 2011/10/16 at 9:04 AM
That wasn’t my point about Gladbach. My point about Gladbach was that he clearly wasn’t a manager’s dream player since they dumped him..
Posted by Martin on 2011/10/16 at 9:24 AM
Bradley was not Favre’s dream player.
However, somebody else at BMG thought enough of him to give Bradley 76 games in three years for BMG. And of course Chievo wasn’t worried about MB being a nightmare.
Tevez is a great player but Mancini thinks of him as a nightmare. That is what dth means about performance not being the only reason a player gets benched or dumped.
Since he moved to Europe in 2005 MB has played in 152 club games( i.e. games by teams where nepotism was not a factor).
That works out to about 25.3 games per season.
So whatever Favre (his last manager) dreamt of him, it seems there are other managers who do not dream so badly as Favre.
Posted by Union on 2011/10/16 at 12:08 PM
Re: Bradley, I obviously think he should be starting ahead of guys like Edu, but make no mistake, Klinsmann is very high on Danny Williams and I think he is going to be very high on Fabian Johnson as well (who, for the millionth time, is the most talented out of our trio of German Americans). I don’t know what the rotation is like at Hoffenheim, and I’m not sure if Johnson is back from injury (for all I know, Danny Williams is only starting bc Fabian is out injured), but if you’re starting in the Bundesliga, you’re playing against the same level of competition as Bradley is at Chievo. In fact, personally, I would rate the Bundesliga ahead of Serie A in terms of the caliber of players you will be facing week in week out.
A quick aside. I saw Ives (who I generally disagree with on just about everything) had Klinsmann’s best starting lineup as: http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/usa/story/jurgen-klinsmann-best-available-XI-united-states-coach-ives-galarcep-101311.
I’ll just say it w.o hedging my bets. I bet you anything Jurgen’s top lineup will be Danny Williams holding and F. Johnson advanced in the CM. Until Holden comes back and unless Adu finds some magic, I bet you anything that is what we will see. And I’d be happy with that.
Posted by dikranovich on 2011/10/16 at 2:01 PM
union, your objectivity is appreciated, as is the insight into the mind of ives. it could be noted that danny williams was first to be subbed for hoffenheim today in a two nil defeat. they were down only one nil at the time and ibisovic, the bosnian product, via st louis replaced williams. no johnson on the bench.
Posted by matthewsf on 2011/10/16 at 10:51 AM
Actually, I know a bit more detail here. Bradley wanted to move beyond Gladbach — Gladbach wanted him to commit to a another contract. When Bradley said he didn’t want to stay there, they strong-armed him and basically shut him down and didn’t let him participate with the team.
I do know as well that a move to Villa was going to happen until McLeish took over and he put the kibosh and bringing in Bradley–which was interesting because I believe he was the coach at Birmingham when they almost purchased Bradley previously.
Now it’s funny because you see Makoun and Bradley out (largely Houllier guys) and Delph (eventually for England) and Scotsman midget Barry Bannan in play.
And it was more the management at Gladbach, not the coach.
Posted by Crow on 2011/10/16 at 11:29 AM
I just saw that Gladbach is 2nd in the Bundesliga. Who did they bring in to become that competitive?
And Bayern Munich- 25 Goals Scored, 1 Allowed. In the Bundesliga. Very impressive.
Posted by Kevin S on 2011/10/16 at 9:29 AM
In my opinion, the problem with Junior right now is that he might be a little immature mentally. The whole incident with him and Wynalda leads me to believe that he probably isn’t too happy about everything that happened leading up to his dad’s dismissal. I don’t really know if any of this is remotely true, but to me it seems possible that Michael took his dad’s dismissal personal and isn’t on good terms with Klinsmann right now.
Posted by dikranovich on 2011/10/16 at 10:30 AM
i dont think there is any doubt he took his fathers dismissal personally. as for wynalda, this is a player that has spent his entire career blameing other people. red card in the czech game, blame the other player, someone cheats with his wife, blame the other guy, he never won much of anything, blame a malawi official. i dont know. lets support a current us mens team player a little more, rather than taking the side of a talking head, who is always blameing others.
junior is money and he may have missed a couple of passes today, but really he made some very nice passes and he is already making noise in serie A. i dont know, maybe mixx diskerud is better, or josh gatt, or danny williams. but i highly doubt it. please think about it.
Posted by matthewsf on 2011/10/16 at 10:56 AM
I caution you to be more objective @dikranovich. These are objective forums and continuing to championing a player without being objective or balanced. Well, this isn’t the location for it.
I love Jorge Perlaza. I think he’s a fantastic forward, but he also has trouble in a slow-down game. That’s an objective comment.
I like Sean Franklin a lot–I think he’s appropriately deemed silky. But this year Franklin has been off giving up two gaffes early on and that’s probably part of the reason he got moved to the midfield.
The community here as been worn out by the incessant flaming and Michael Bradley lovefest. One person isn’t above the community.
I make these comments publicly since again you tried to flame me personally through email after I extend an olive branch and gave you one more chance. I, TSG, and the community have better things to do and I won’t have you poisoning these forums if you can’t be objective, fair and don’t act like a brat.
If you criticize Wynalda then you should criticize Harkes for criticizing Clint Dempsey.
Posted by Martin on 2011/10/16 at 11:33 AM
“but to me it seems possible that Michael took his dad’s dismissal personal and isn’t on good terms with Klinsmann right now.”
Suppose it is true. So what?
The other night the camera focused on BM and DMB talking with JK before they came on. It did not look to me like MB was ready to kill JK.
Like most people, I’m sure MB has had bosses he wasn’t on good terms with before. And it seems to me being unprofessional with a member of the media does not automaticaly mean you wil be that way with a manager.
As a professional player MB has a very impressive record, one that compares well with any American pro soccer player ( including Wynalda and Harkes) anytime. And he is still only 24.
He’s not perfect but he could hardly have had that record and be some kind of immature crazed lunatic some people seem to be trying to paint him to be. The man moved to Europe at the age of 18-19 and carved out a succesful pro career.
He’s adapted to three different cultures and learned three languages. I doubt his Dad was there to hold his hand.
As someone who has had to adapt to a new job while learning a foreign culture and language I can tell you it ain’t easy. Maybe may be a hothead but it would be hard for a mentally immature person to do that.
Posted by Kevin on 2011/10/16 at 4:05 PM
Perhaps calling him a hot head would have been a better description, but regardless my point is not so much to bash Bradley as a player. I think Bradley is a good player and deserves to be on that nats, but the fact remains that it is a possibility that he is not on good terms with Klinsmann. Sure maybes he’s been on bad terms with previous managers and maybe he’s had to adjust to numerous cultures but maybe those have some sort of correlation
Posted by Martin on 2011/10/16 at 4:58 PM
“Sure maybes he’s been on bad terms with previous managers and maybe he’s had to adjust to numerous cultures but maybe those have some sort of correlation”
Could you explain that?
Posted by Kevin on 2011/10/17 at 7:22 PM
The argument can be made that he is adaptive to be able to adjust to the cultures of Nederlands, England, and now Italy in a relatively short span, but might those changes have been because he didn’t get along with his managers? Maybe his time in MLS, and possibly even just being part of the Bradley family, gave him a sense of entitlement.
The other thing I wanted to point out is that sure the Bradley Wynalda incident was unprofessional, but when I say that he isn’t on good terms with his Klinsmann that doesn’t mean he doesn’t act professional. I’m sure most people here have had that boss that they just hate with every fiber in their being, but if you were to lash out against him you’d be out of a job. Bradley conducts himself in a professional manner because Klinsmann is that boss; Wynalda is not. For example, Dennis Hamlett got into a locker room fight with one of his defenders in 08 or 09, and the defender was on the first plane out of Chicago the following week or so. Has anyone ever ever been sold/traded due to an argument with the media?
Posted by Antonio H. on 2011/10/16 at 10:52 AM
Chievo Verona is not one of the best teams in Italy
Posted by Martin on 2011/10/16 at 11:15 AM
I guess that depends on what you mean by “best in Italy”,
Currently they are #6 in Serie A. There are 20 teams in Serie A so that puts them in the top half and certainly makes them one of the best in Serie A.
I don’t know how many teams there are in Serie B and further on down but being number 6 in the top division in Italy certainly does make them one of the best teams in Italy.
Now if you are talking historically or if you really mean “is not one of the best teams in Serie A” then that is a different discussion.
They were 14th last year. However being #6 is their current reality and measn they are, at the present time, on eo f the best in Italy and in Serie A. .
Posted by EFG on 2011/10/16 at 12:41 PM
I think it is safe to say that Chievo are “punching above their weight”. They have done well so far this season in being tight at the back and working their way up. I don’t want to discount anything they have done this season, but 6 matches is a pretty small sample size.
Posted by Martin on 2011/10/16 at 5:06 PM
Antonio said Chievo were not one of the best teams in Italy.
From Serie A on down to the equivalent of what would be a Fourth Divisio, there are 119 teams.
Chievo are now at #6, they were #14 last year and have been in Serie A except for being relegated once or twice, since 2001. Which means they hqve been anywhere fron #6 to #42 since 2001.
The halfway point of 119 is 59.5. Let’s call it 59 for the purposes of this discussion.
Chievo has been one of the best teams in Italy since 2001.
If you actually meant Serie A not Italy, well, that’s another thing.
Posted by Antonio H. on 2011/10/16 at 5:18 PM
Come on Martin, you know what I meant…. Or did you? Either way, we know the only thing that matters with italy and soccer in the same sentence(minus the national team) is Serie A. Therefore I do think you know what I meant and you’re just nitpicking :>
Posted by Martin on 2011/10/17 at 6:53 AM
This is a written medium so when you write “one of the best teams in Italy” I take you at youir word.
I can’t see you as you are writing.
And as far .as ” we know the only thing that matters with italy and soccer in the same sentence(minus the national team) is Serie A. ” that’s not true.
I have family in Italy who would argue with you on that..
All you had to do was insert “Serie A” for “Italy”. Is that asking too much?
Besides Chievo may surprise when you all is said and done..
Posted by Antonio H. on 2011/10/17 at 12:18 PM
When you say “this is a written medium” do you mean that words are actually transcribed onto the screen. If so, surely you jest. My understanding of the method of communication is this we are typing via a keyboard as opposed to an ink pen or lead pencil.
Not to take a shot at you friend, but please attempt take the comments on this site in general(especially mine) less literally.
And may I ask if you are a Chievo fan?
Posted by Martin on 2011/10/17 at 3:53 PM
A lot of people who visit this site will never have read anything you’ve ever written. So they won’t “know ” you and make allowances.
Instead they will assume you mean exactly what you say. Now maybe that doesn’t matter to you but there is a seriously big difference writing “one of best teams in Italy ” and “one of the best teams in Serie A”.
With all due respect, it makes one suspect that you don’t have much regard for what could be very crucial differences between what you write and what you meant to write. You know what they say about assuming.
I’m not a fan of Chievo but in terms of a place to live, I’d say MB made out pretty well.
Posted by Antonio H. on 2011/10/16 at 4:53 PM
Here’s an example. Do you remember where Hull City were placed during the December league break in their 1st year in the top flight?
Posted by KickinNames... on 2011/10/17 at 7:12 AM
(The following is intended to be read with some amusement. Any resemblance to any other posters is purely ironic…)
First of all when you say “here’s an example” just what do mean by “example”. Can you objectively outline your Design of Experiment approach that justified you putting forward this “example”?
And when you reference “where Hull City were placed in their 1st year” are you referencing recent performance or should I copy and paste the entire Wikipedia reference of Hull City’s history in case they may have been in the top flight at some point in the previous 100 years…and when you say “top flight”…nevermind I’m getting tired of this myself..)))
You actually made great points re Serie A and Chievo’s recent quality. Just thought you should know that…
Posted by Antonio H. on 2011/10/17 at 12:11 PM
Ha. I got a good laugh out of this. I appreciate the support.
Posted by Gregorio on 2011/10/16 at 10:57 AM
Wow, Listen Wynalda is not everyone’s cup of tea but sshessh. MB is a good player who not only started & played a significant number of games in Germany but is starting on a Serie A team who played legandary Juve (currently not such a legend) But still thats quite an accomplishment for any player let alone American so lets give MB his due. Now the other point is that sometimes players despite their talent don’t get picked or are benched for a myraid of reasons, like the example cited of Tevez and countless others. I like MB and think he will only get better and build up his confidence level which hopefully translates to a bigger role & minutes on MNT but its not a guarranttee. As far MB’s attitude, he could use a little more professionalism when dealing with press, Wynalda has his moments as well but he was a bright light for us when we were a nation of a thousand dimmmed bulbs (soccer speaking) soI give him some latitude. Although his pick of a mate might have been a poor choice, a team mate & capt sleeping with her bespeaks of someone I hold in lesser esteem ( piece of Excrement IMO) So he is culpable here too. Anyway what the hell do I know, I watch Storage Wars consistently and used to think Sissy Sapcek was hot.
Posted by Martin on 2011/10/16 at 11:17 AM
Sissy Spacek is great but yeah, that Storage Wars thing, I don’t know Gregorio.
Try watching Tanked on Animal Planet and see what you think .
Posted by Crow on 2011/10/16 at 11:39 AM
That DC United/Chicago Fire game was insane last night. Even though I’m a Union fan, I’ve been pulling for United to make the playoffs- (A) I like Ben Olsen and I went to the same High School he did; (B) As much flack as Charlie Davies has got for diving this year, I still like him; (C) Matt Mathai is a United fan so I pull for them when it doesn’t affect the Union (D) Bill Hamid, (E) I kind of look like Perry Kitchen which is cool, and (F) I wanted the Red Bulls to miss the playoffs (should have been reason A). Sorry for the probably unneeded explanation, but sometimes if you say something positive about DC and you are a Union fan, you are viewed as a traitor. Although I think universally NYRB is viewed as the bigger enemy.
Anyway, a real shame for DC United- all of the injuries they have suffered, etc. I think it is too little too late for the Chicago Fire, and I doubt Portland can get the job done. So, it looks like the Red Bulls will make the playoffs.
Posted by Crow on 2011/10/16 at 11:54 AM
I don’t know about an East Coast/West Coast bias. Matt is originally from the East Coast, no? George Cross lives on the East Coast now and seems to be one of the most respected members in the comment section. I think it really comes down to objectivity/emotionalism. Objectivity is definitely favored here, and certainly for good reason.
I am a very emotional person- it runs in the family. I was raised in the Northeast where you live and die with your sports teams, and still live here for a few more months before I move out west. I consider myself to be a fairly intellectual person, though, emotionalism usually wins out when it comes to sports. I am a very passionate and emotional supporter- the reason I joined American Outlaws and SoB- I know those groups aren’t everyone’s cup of tea on this site.
Anyway, I’ve gotten myself into trouble on this site before due to my strong opinions, and mainly my stubbornness to ‘back down’ when I have felt I have been ‘wronged’ in the comment section. That just came from my personality, and being used to being attacked in other forums, or being used to having to defend soccer as a legitimate sport growing up.
I was warned to tone it down, and although I slip up now and then, I think I am doing better and offer something positive to the site while still being true to myself. When I start to get angry when reading a comment, I try to make a conscious effort to cool down before I post. Also, I try to review my thoughts to make sure they aren’t overly biased, although I still offer strong opinions if I feel they have some merit. You would have to ask others how my comments are viewed. I thought for awhile I was being ‘targeted’ in a sense, but alot of that was me bringing it on myself. I’m sure you will do fine here if you make a bit more of an effort to be less confrontational/provoking with some of your comments.
Posted by Antonio H. on 2011/10/16 at 4:49 PM
I find it pretty cool that you share so much about where you come from and how you are to the community. To me, a lot of what TSG is is bringing people together from all over the States and sharing opinions (and facts) with each other with there being know risk of them being shot down and destroyed by the rest of the community. Matthew is by no means a babysitter, but I know he watches out for the rare “trolls” that come on this site that have nothing intelligent and non-ad-hominem to share. Fortunately that rarely has to happen because whenever a new reader visits the site, they automatically notice the quality of the comments, yet you can still be a fan and share a “golazo” or a “jozzzzzzyyyyy” if you wish because its not an esoteric site either.
I was thinking It’d be cool to have a post where everyone shares some background about themselves in the comment section. It’d be cool to know why some of you guys and girls put so much passion into soccer.
Posted by Crow on 2011/10/16 at 6:21 PM
Thanks for the kind words. As I’ve said before, my favorite feature on this site, along with the player interviews, are the “Fan In You” segments. I really enjoyed the recent one- “How Portugal Changed Me” or whatever it was called.
Posted by Andrew Nowlan (@amnowlan) on 2011/10/17 at 7:35 AM
@Crow, Matt lets all types in here! I’ve been around this place a while and I have nothing constructive to add because, well, I’m not soccer smart enough! Heck, Matt even tolerated me posting a link to a play by my 10-year-old son! (Thanks again for that Matt, my son got a HUGE kick out of it – no pun intended).
Posted by Gregorio on 2011/10/17 at 11:57 AM
Can I post a link to my 5 /12 yr old son games where he looks at the sky in search of Jets instead of the ball beside him? It will be eerily reminiscent of some recent team play (_____ insert appropriate league/team here)
Posted by Gregorio on 2011/10/16 at 11:56 AM
I don’t know about who broke the story but I know I heard of it watching Fosx soccer Live and the host Nick Webster brought it up in relation to John Terry sleeping with Wayne Bridges’ gf. Interesting was that Wynalda said that for the good of the team he still would’ve played with Harkes. But not to beleaguer the point and this discussion, But all I can say and will repeatedly, is my thousand pardons and please accept my forgiveness to Steve Sampson. I listened to all the media frenzy back then when he dismissed Harkes from the team, and bad mouthed him to no end. But now in hindisght, all I can see is that he is a role model for all . he is a true stand up guy, did what he did and kept his mouth shut without blaming or flaming, What a guy. his tatics aside, this is the kind of coach that all should aspire to be in my opinion (which is a bit questionable considering my entertainment choices. Ex. why does Tyra wear those ugly unattractive unflattering jumpsuits on America’s Next Top Model?)
Posted by Jared on 2011/10/16 at 4:22 PM
I’m not trying to bash MLS but is it really worth it for me to spend $50 per ticket to go see NYRB v. Philadelphia Union? This is for an upper level ticket at Red Bull Arena. I’ve paid less than that for better seats to USMNT games and games that were MLS doubleheaders with the second game involving Juve and Barca.
If you want to build up fans charging me that amount doesn’t seem like the way to go about it. I will admit that it’s been a few years since I’ve gone to an MLS game.
What are ticket prices like for MLS these days?
Posted by SamT on 2011/10/17 at 1:16 AM
Wow. I don’t live in an MLS market, so was not aware of prices. Agree that seems high.
For point of reference, I’ll be in Germany next week and happen to be a short train ride from the Wednesday Champions League match Bayer Leverkusen v Valencia. Got my ticket for 48 Euros, or around $70. (And I’m absolutely giddy about it.)
Posted by GeorgeCross on 2011/10/17 at 2:38 PM
Keep an eye out for Andre Schurrle.
Posted by Antonio H. on 2011/10/17 at 7:51 PM
Keep an eye out for Mateo Kovacic too. Croat for Dinamo Zagreb.
Posted by GeorgeCross on 2011/10/17 at 2:26 PM
My $30 seat is in the upper corner flag section, and they never sell out. Usually watch the first half in my *actual* seat and move in the second (the staff are less strict about making sure you’re in your section). But, the view where ever you are should be pretty good. My advice: get the cheapest seats you can. Worst case you sit in your seat. But chances are, you can move to a better spot…
Posted by dikranovich on 2011/10/16 at 7:17 PM
this is off topic, but does anyone watch boardwalk empire? and if you do, im wondering if that was matt damon playing jack dempsey? i think it was. it makes sense also because damon had a good role on another wahlburg production in the la crew show, what was that called?
Posted by KickinNames... on 2011/10/17 at 7:00 AM
Interesting performance by Mikey/Chievo vs Juve yesterday. Watched it later and had some time to slow down and rewind. I have to say he looks like he can grow into that side and style and Chievo is prob a pretty good fit for him right now.
Have to say that in watching Serie A this season the quality of play is just very low. Plodding and little dynamic action overall. That might acct for why Chievo can be #6 at present and yesterday was a good example. Not a slight just an observation after 6-8 matches or so.
I noticed something interesting from him that seems to be a common trait. Early on (16-20th mins) he made a few really poor “unforced” outlet passes on the break that resulted in turnovers(he even ripped up a teammates hammie with one of them…only joking Dlk…)) and chances for Juve. Once he settled into the game, he made a number of really solid and precise one touch balls into tough spaces and made an effort to crack open the D. It seems that he makes less mistakes when he’s under pressure that he makes crisper passes. He played solid “jockeying” defense but the one spot where he needed to “tackle” (as we say where I come from) on the edge of the box he sort of rode the challenge as is his habit and allowed the attacker to continue by him instead of getting stuck in.
He seems to not really work hard offensively to get into position it was a bit exasperating at times to see him jogging when there was a teammate under duress who needed an outlet. When there is an attacking chance he seems to respond better.
All in all, a kind of typical bad times/good times performance but being the first time I’ve seen him for Chievo he looks like he belongs in the side and can grow in the more advance role that the JK/USMNT needs him to assume.
Please no quotes in response although I’d love to hear others objective opinions. I truly would like to see him succeed there and take another step up in his game. I think he has it in him talent wise and hopefully his head catches up.
Posted by dikranovich on 2011/10/17 at 7:38 AM
kickin, you make a very fair assesment of the game yesterday. chievo was at home, but they probably are happy to take a point from the game, and they had their chances to pick up all three points. junior was more of a positive than a negative, hopefully that is the impression people come away with, if they saw him play. he won his share of balls and he does play a shadow defense, but doesnt that always give him a chance to make the play? or stay with the play as long as possible.
italian defense is not about making slide tackles, its about winning possession, and keeping the ball out of the goal. if that makes any sense. ride junior to the promise land donkeys, and of course, fly with the eagle, high. and i hope nobody is downplaying his opposition yesterday. andreas pirlo ring a bell. i thought he still played for ac milan until about ten minutes after kickoff.
Posted by KickinNames... on 2011/10/17 at 9:06 AM
Dlk-I would agree that he went 51/49 to the good but his giveaways were pretty atrocious during that one stretch. I think I liked that he seems suited to their style of play and could be more influential as he gets more comfortable going forward.
The missed tackle I made reference to happened to be on the edge of the box and there was no other place to “funnel” or “jockey” the player to. It required getting stuck in and “winning possession” to prevent a scoring chance and he neglected to do that. There were other good solid places where he made good solid defensive plays. I look forward to seeing his game evole and you cannot deny that he contributed as part of the overall unit to them getting a good result.
I was amused, as I’m sure you were to the announcer referring to the fact that he has quckly “learned” the professional foul as if the Italians invented it. Funny stuff.
Posted by John on 2011/10/17 at 7:42 AM
I would love to see the Dynamo play Stoke. Someone would probably go to the hospital
From the Oregonian: “Chabala thought he had popped right up after the contact, but apparently he had blacked out momentarily and wasn’t able to continue.”
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