Posted 2012/04/06 by matthewsf in Uncategorized. 43 Comments
EPL appetizers, the MLS main course.
Timmy on the road at Norwich City.
Needs Big Game.
Posted by Byrdman on 2012/04/07 at 7:37 AM
Nice goal by Dempsey
Posted by matthewsf on 2012/04/07 at 7:45 AM
Got some video. Michael Bradley has scored as well. No American playing outside MLS has *improved more than Bradley this year.
Posted by Crow on 2012/04/07 at 5:24 PM
How awesome would it be if when Bradley scored he would pull up his jersey to reveal an undershirt reading: DIRKANOVICH
Posted by KickinNames... on 2012/04/08 at 6:36 PM
I was thinking tramp stamp)))).
Posted by matthewsf on 2012/04/07 at 7:59 AM
A 2nd for Dempsey. Folks really don’t think he’ll play enough at top club. Dempsey would be perfect tonic for Liverpool right now.
Posted by GeorgeCross on 2012/04/07 at 8:17 AM
Liverpool are no longer a big club!
But, regardless, Dempsey s having a fantastic season however you slice and dice it. credit where credit is due.
Posted by GeorgeCross on 2012/04/07 at 8:21 AM
Do you know his contract situation at Fulham? I think that and Fulham’s valuation will ultimately determine whether he leaves…
Posted by Jared on 2012/04/08 at 7:39 AM
I believe that next year is the final year of his contract. So that would obviously bring clubs in that are trying to force Fulham to sell for less than they would like rather than lose him for nothing after next season. Even with that though I would think that Fulham would probably want 10 mil GBP at least which I’m not sure the top clubs would be willing to pay for a player with zero resale value based on age.
Posted by Crow on 2012/04/07 at 5:13 PM
Posted by Crow on 2012/04/07 at 5:21 PM
Kenny Dalglish: That Clint Dempsey is SO HOT right now!
Seriously, how is Everton in 7th place. I know it was extremely hot and the preseason but they looked absolutely horrible against the Philly Union last summer. Everton was using their starters and the Union had academy products in during the 2nd half. The whole year Everton has been very underwhelming yet somehow Moyes has them in 7th (granted they are a few pts clear of 13th). Why isn’t Moyes getting more consideration for the England manager? They should create a new movie: Moneyball- Liverpool (The David Moyes Story)
How awesome would it be if Spurs could get it together and Newcastle and keep both Arsenal and Chelsea out of Champions League? Combine that with Liverpool possibly not finishing in the top 10? Just awesome. Now if Peter Nowak could somehow get involved with the Manchester clubs and ruin them somehow. My dream someday is to see all the big clubs in England miss Champions League.
Seriously- if Spurs or Newcastle get one of the Champions League spot- wouldn’t that be a realistic destination for Deuce?
Posted by Jared on 2012/04/08 at 7:43 AM
Liverpool aren’t a big club anymore and are not going to be a big club any time soon due to FFP because of their stadium situation.
On top of that, Dalglish is clearly not up to being a manager in the new era. It’s hard to tell how he picks the team and seems like he’ll put out wingers who hit crosses when Suarez is playing then use guys like Kuyt who can’t cross when Carroll is playing. Maxi Rodriguez had been playing well and he seems to have disappeared from the lineup. Keep Dempsey away from that situation.
I think he would be a great addition to Arsenal because of his directness which they often lack. He’d clearly be a better partner/attacker to play off of RVP than Gervinho because he can actually finish.
Posted by dth on 2012/04/08 at 9:27 AM
Liverpool is top 10 in the Deloitte Money League: http://www.deloitte.com/view/en_GB/uk/industries/sportsbusinessgroup/sports/football/deloitte-football-money-league/d7b295aa0c415310VgnVCM1000001a56f00aRCRD.htm
Of course Liverpool are a big club. Obviously their results stink.
Posted by Jared on 2012/04/08 at 10:37 AM
Nope, not a big club in England which is the problem. Their earnings are trending downward and will continue to do so as they slip down the league table. If you look at the money league table there are 3 English clubs ahead of them who will stay ahead of them due to European competition revenue. Arsenal and United will stay ahead due to much larger matchday revenues. Tottenham if they qualify for the Champions League this season will continue to close the gap. The blurb attached to that list for Liverpool essentially says the same thing.
I just don’t see non British players going to play in Liverpool unless they dramatically overpay those players. That will continue to cause a competitive disadvantage. At this point, I don’t even see them being able to convince someone like a Demba Ba to move from Newcastle. I’d be surprised if they didn’t lose Suarez this summer. It’s laughable when you see them linked with any player that City, United, Chelsea or Arsenal are linked with.
Posted by dth on 2012/04/08 at 10:53 AM
These things can change in a hurry. Fundamentally, Liverpool have the history and the worldwide fan base. It’ll take a long time for these things to totally erode and for Liverpool to become Leeds. Until then, they’re still a big club.
Taking the long view, of course, of the English clubs you’ve listed, only one has a more recent Champions League title than Liverpool–United.
Posted by Jared on 2012/04/08 at 11:26 AM
Well, only United of the clubs I’ve listed has ever one a European Cup/Champions League regardless of time. You mentioned that it takes a long time for these things to erode but Liverpool have been eroding for 20+ years. They popped up briefly under Rafa before his spending habits/the debt brought on in that period nearly bankrupted the club and did bankrupt the owners. The international fans will only stay loyal for so long
Also, there is little chance of NESV dumping the kind of money they did last season into player transfers in the long term or even the short term. Just look at what they have done with the Red Sox this season after missing the playoffs last year, it’s been one big salary dump/lack of quality replacements. They sold their starting shortstop who was due to make only $6 mil this year in order to get under the luxury tax.
Where do you see them getting the revenue necessary to challenge the big clubs in England?
Posted by John on 2012/04/08 at 11:51 AM
“They popped up briefly under Rafa before his spending habits/the debt brought on in that period nearly bankrupted the club and did bankrupt the owners. The international fans will only stay loyal for so long”
This is 110% factually incorrect.
Which owners? David Moores? Hicks and Gillette?
Rafa did many good things and many awful things but the one thing he did not do is bankrupt any owners.
He won a champions league in 2004/2005, the FA cup in 2006, and made the finals of the Champions League again in 2007 and had Liverpool finish 2008/09 with 86 points (2nd place) with only half a squad and a perpetually injured Fernando Torres.
86 points BTW would have won the league last year, and the year before….
Niether Hicks, nor Gillette, nor Moores were in bankruptcy due to Liverpool
This is the total of Rafa’s player expenditures during his reign as manager:
Total Players Bought: £228,976,000
Total Players Sold: £145,100,000
Total Net Spend: £83,876,000
So, that’s a total spend of just over £83m in 5 years at the club. An average of £16.6m a year.
Posted by Jared on 2012/04/08 at 12:36 PM
Whose fault was the half a squad in 2008/2009? Benitez was the one responsible for bringing in players/selling them on, right? That’s also a terrible transfer record in terms of turnover of the squad. Compare that to the big clubs in England right now in Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool and I doubt you see such turnover in terms of players.
Fine, Hicks wasn’t bankrupted by Liverpool and the combined 140 million GBP loss that he and Gillette took when the club was sold. It was just coincidence that Hicks Sports Group that owned the Rangers filed Chapter 11 in 2010. Really? Of course he was bankrupted by Liverpool. You can’t go bankrupt as an MLB owner just look at the situation with the Dodgers.
Posted by John on 2012/04/08 at 1:07 PM
The “half a squad” comment was primarily due to injury as well as squad availability
Benitez was only as responsible as Hicks and Gillette would let him, they didn’t want to spend money as their tenure went on.
The 140 GBP loss was actually due to the lawsuit and the epic low bid that was accepted to get hicks and gillette out of of Liverpool. Hicks was holding the club ransom for his percieved value and the arbiters essentially sold it out from underneath him.
In 2008-2009 Manchester United had a net spend of 64 million pounds alone. ONE YEAR.
In 2008-2009 Liverpool net spend was 2.5 million pounds
All good teams spend money to win.
The top four from that table are:
Manchester City – Chelsea – Liverpool – Tottenham
The outlier is Manchester United who are down at 8th. Part of that is the Christiano Ronaldo deal which gave them 80 million pounds. Without that they would be much higher in the deal. Fair play to United because smart scouting helped them achieve a tighter net spend due to the ability to sell players to top paying teams.
Arsenal are the exception because they have made more money than spent. Of course they haven’t won anything… even a Carling Cup in seven years. Liverpool have at least won the League Cup since then. In the time since Arsenal won the premier league, Liverpool won the Champions League, the FA Cup, the League Cup, and the UEFA Super cup.
Of course most Liverpool fans would kill to have the stadium situation advantage that Arsenal holds at this time as well, so everything is relative.
Posted by John on 2012/04/08 at 1:14 PM
“You can’t go bankrupt as an MLB owner just look at the situation with the Dodgers.”
HE WENT BANKRUPT
That is the whole deal about the McCourt situation! He wen’t bankrupt and didn’t want to lose the team because his valuation was so high.
Posted by GeorgeCross on 2012/04/08 at 5:40 PM
I would rather finish in the top 4 every year than win the League Cup. And I suspect the Chairman and CFO would too!
Posted by GeorgeCross on 2012/04/08 at 5:41 PM
Birmingham City won the League Cup and got relegated…
Posted by Jared on 2012/04/08 at 6:54 PM
McCourt didn’t go bankrupt because of baseball or sports. He was in divorce proceedings and was screwing around financially in an attempt to keep from paying his wife any money. Compare what he got for the Dodgers ($2 billion plus part ownership of the surrounding land) to what Hicks got for the Rangers (around $550 million) and there is a pretty large difference. The Hicks Sports Group was defaulting on loans.
Posted by John on 2012/04/07 at 8:18 AM
From the BBC Feed;
Clint Dempsey’s kind of a big deal. He has many leather-bound books and his apartment smells of rich mahogany. He’s also put Fulham in total control here, he heads in Damien Duff’s cross from the right.
Posted by Crow on 2012/04/07 at 5:22 PM
Clint dempsey new celebration should be: CANNONBALL!
Posted by Crow on 2012/04/07 at 9:40 AM
What is Steve Holt doing on Norwich?
Posted by John henry on 2012/04/07 at 10:10 AM
Posted by John on 2012/04/07 at 10:21 AM
Posted by John on 2012/04/07 at 10:22 AM
Posted by Crow on 2012/04/07 at 5:25 PM
That is pretty awesome. Norwich was my first experience with the EPL when I visited England as a teenager.
Posted by dude on 2012/04/07 at 12:02 PM
Napoli vs. Lazio conclusion:
Italians really don’t get the moment of silence thing.
Posted by dth on 2012/04/07 at 12:11 PM
Kenny Cooper scores off of a nice post-up. Whomever convinced Cooper to play like a big body forward deserves some sort of award. Backe?
Posted by Jason on 2012/04/07 at 1:54 PM
Beautiful goal by Kei Kamara from a nice service by Bobby Convey. Who would have thought he’d be an improvement over Omar Bravo?
Posted by matthewsf on 2012/04/07 at 1:59 PM
More the system I think and using Kamara’s speed off Sapong.
Posted by Crow on 2012/04/07 at 2:13 PM
Ill tell you what was pure class on that goal- the celebration.
What an amazing stadium- I put in 2nd only behind Jeld-Wen.
Posted by dth on 2012/04/07 at 2:53 PM
With Buddle playing hmmm…a bit, bored, shall we say…does Galaxy losing Keane to Euro 2012 loom ominously?
Posted by Jared on 2012/04/08 at 7:27 AM
After watching Buddle yesterday I really hope he’s not called in for the next USMNT matches. He needs a serious attitude adjustment. Jolazo, Boyd and Herc please as the strikers.
Posted by dth on 2012/04/07 at 7:59 PM
Who’s excited for RSL-SKC? Should be fantastic.
Posted by Jared on 2012/04/08 at 7:33 AM
I am. MLS finally seems to be turning the corner in terms of style of play with the newer generation of coaches with the exception of Bob Bradley in Montreal. It doesn’t appear to be a nationally televised game though.
On that note, they really need to fix their TV schedules based on which teams play a good style. Philly v. Columbus on NBC Sports is a terrible choice. I heard on BTP that RSL is only on a national broadcast 3 times this season.
Posted by dth on 2012/04/08 at 6:10 PM
I may have said this before, but Marsch is out-Bradleying Bradley. Bradley let Dempsey and Donovan do an awful lot as long as they tracked back. Marsch wants a much more disciplined approach from his “attacking” midfielders.
I agree that eventually NBC will need to be like the NFL and flex games around more. RSL-SKC is the marquee game this weekend, by far. (NYRB-SJ number two. Either COL-SEA or LA-POR three.)
Posted by EFG on 2012/04/08 at 7:05 AM
Anyone else have trouble watching the KC v LA game with the light blue and white uniforms in the sunlight on TV?
Posted by Jared on 2012/04/08 at 7:34 AM
It took a while for me to adjust to that color combo. Not sure why the Galaxy weren’t in the navy blue unis they have because that would have been much less of an issue with the light blue than the white. Stuff like that is not how you grow the game because people that are not real fans aren’t going to bother if it’s made difficult to watch.
Posted by KickinNames... on 2012/04/08 at 6:58 PM
What is Sam Hill was Balotelli doing out there at the end of that game? Mancini got exactly what he deserves with that clown. He’s on a yellow and acting his usual foolish self and you don’t sub him out there?
He looks like he wants out of there and that team is playing down to his coaching.
Posted by dth on 2012/04/09 at 11:49 AM
Watching Josh Gatt in the first half of his Tippeligaen game, and it’s really remarkable how he’s developed since the last time I’ve seen him. Much more useful player in the halfcourt game–smarter runs and passes. He’s still raw (in particular, struggles with the weight of his passes; he also alternates sublime first touches and goofy ones), but the progress is there and very impressive. Should definitely be called up soon.
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