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Starting XI

Big surprise…

Casey / Davies up top

Holden / Donovan / Clark / Bradley in the middle

Boca / Onyewu / Spector / Bornstein in defense

Howard between the pipes

Orange Wedges: Finishing Strong

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Orange Wedges is a running post that will be updated until the start of the match.

Saturday

  • Via Twitter:  JozyAltidore17 Ahh the time has come and the boys look ready as am I. Wish us luck as we try and qualify for our 6th straight World Cup! Show some love. I don’t know about you, but I am pumped. Looking forward to watching the game with a packed house of USMNT fans. Let’s go boys!
  • Headed out to O’Brien’s soon. In case mobile service is spotty the US starting line-up will be out 1 hour before the game ussoccer.com.
  • 3 Hours to kickoff and according to @ussoccer on Twitter the stadium is full! (oh for that to happen in the US.)
  • Break out the galoshes it’s pouring rain in San Pedro Sula.  The forecast doesn’t dip below a 50% chance of rain until late tonight. Not so great for the Yanks, with the hard tackling and linking play or Thomas and Palacios in the middle, Honduras will be ok with a “sloggy” field. The Americans on the otherhand are going to look to get the ball up the wing quickly as well as counterattack and mushy turf is going to slow that down. (Unless, of course, Charlie Davies mutha was a mudda.)
  • Not sure if we mentioned this yet, but the referee for tonight’s match is Roberto Moreno who also presided over the US-MEX game at Azteca. This is no bueno for the USMNT if he sees the game the same way he did back in August.
  • Nice to see someone finally say it. Brain Ching (via ESPN.com): “”But our mentality won’t change from the last few games. We want to attack and score. These are the types of games we must now start winning.” Thank you, Brian. It is borderline embarrassing for USSoccer.com to have an elaborate Scenario Generator producing all the ways the USMNT can back into the World Cup when they can get in by going out and playing great soccer that nets them a W and three points.
  • In Matthew’s post the other day he alluded to the yellow card issues that Bob-O may consider when constructing the line-up. Both Matthew and I think that he needs to put the best eleven out there. Period. (The time is now.) Here are the players carrying a Big Bird Feather into the match: (I really don’t like the phrase “yellow card jeopardy”…any suggestions?)Altidore, Bocanegra, Casey, Cherundolo, Clark, Donovan, Feilhaber and Hedjuk…..we are potentially talking six starters here, more likely five.
  • Steven Goff also checked in from Honduras late yesterday with some interesting quotes:Landon Donovan on playing in Central America: “”The unique thing in a lot of [Central American] countries is the passion of everyone in the stadium. Generally, when you play in Europe, you get a section of the stadium that is passionate – maybe 3-4-5-10,000 people. But here it’s going to be 25-30,000 — whatever the stadium holds — incredibly passionate people. You can just feel the difference in the energy.”Boca on the lack of TV coverage: “It’s sad.” He’s got that right!

Friday

  • Grant Wahl checking in from San Pedro Sula. He also Twittered that he was the only reporter with the stones to make the six-hour trip up to Tegucigalpa to see what was going on. Not too surprisingly, nothing much was going on in the capital, so he was eating at Chili’s. UPDATE: Unfortunately, sounds like Grant ended up in the wrong place at the wrong time and was held-up at gunpoint. Lost his wallet and iPhone, but otherwise he report he okay.
  • American Outlaw Garrett Quinn has made it safely to Honduras. He sent us a note saying he will be “blogging extensively” so follow him on Twitter, his live stream and his blog (political views expressed are solely Garrett’s).
  • Game time is 7pm Pacific…do what you can to be at one of these 36 venues for the English feed. If you are at O’Brien’s in San Diego I’ll be wearing a black DTOM hat with the snake on the front…come say aloha. Matthew will be at Danny Coyles in SF…he’ll probably be rockin’ his lucky man-purse (I kid, Matthew).
  • TSG’s in-depth preview can be found here.

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US Troops to Honduras: Coops & Conrad, Hiya

Welcome back William Dafoe, I mean, JC!

Welcome back William Dafoe, I mean, JC!


The roster you “won’t” be seeing on free TV on 10/10

• G: Tim Howard, Brad Guzan

• D: Carlos Bocanegra, Jonathan Bornstein, Steve Cherundolo, Jimmy Conrad, Clarence Goodson, Oguchi Onyewu, Jonathan Spector

• M: Michael Bradley, Ricardo Clark, Clint Dempsey, Benny Feilhaber, Stu Holden, Robbie Rogers, Jose Francisco Torres

• F: Jozy Altidore, Conor Casey, Brian Ching, Charlie Davies, Landon Donovan



Quick reaction:

• It pays to play….and deliver. Kenny Coops back in the fold.

• The usual characters in midfield. Robbie Rogers makes it again. If the US can take care of business in Honduras, then we might see Bradley investigate the back-up left flank in D.C. with either Rogers or Torres.

• For all the hype, no Edgar Castillo call-up–not that it was expected.

• TSG Wing of the Hall-of-Fame namesake, Jimmy Conrad makes the squad. See first bulletpoint. Get that knee better Chad Marshall.

USA – Honduras – The Media Math of It All

Love that TSG fans are so passionate and care about why they can’t watch the game from the location of their choosing. Let’s consider this our Part IV of our continuing coverage of the USA vs. Honduras under-21 year-olds can’t watch qualifier.

espn8My brother Mark did a great job of updating the info on the bars/establishments. While this is fresh in our minds I wanted to write a morsel of commentary on the economics–which we will tease apart again later if more accurate or validated data comes out.

Here’s the data we do know:

I mean, can't we just put this game on "the Ocho?"

I mean, can't we just put this game on "the Ocho?"

@ 200 establishments publicly signed up to date

@ price range of carrying the telecast: $250 – $3,500 (based on capacity and discussion with bar owners)

Assumptions:

1) The establishment count will reach 275

Media World and Integrated Sports Media (who is handling the sales of the CC feed/event) are currently at about 200 venues with a little more than a week to go. (Note, more bars may be holding the event, but not added to the official list yet).

It’s our guess that they get to 275 here. Why? Well, we learned of the revenue model behind the event (September 12th) and we got a contact for who was handling the distribution a day or so later, so two weeks, 200 bars signed up. That’s 100 bars signing up a week.

Given that Integrated Sports Media probably targeted the easiest ones first we think with a week to go and with a focus on English telecasts (less likely to purchase) that number is going to be smaller than 100. We’ll go with 75 right now, for an overall sum of 275.

2) The average rate for the game will be somewhere between $2,000 – $2,500

This number is the biggest wildcard for two reasons. One, there is the question of how much venue will charge per person to view the contest and how much of this may or may not get kicked back to to Media World.  Two, there is a question of the average capacity of each of these establishments. TSG did a spot check and found that the capacity of the establishments are all over the board.

So we’re going to take our best guesstimate and assume $2,250 fee to carry the game. (This might be heavy, but we’re sticking with it for this analysis.) How we came up with it? Average price per ticket we’re hearing for an event is about $15. Average capacity for a sports bar is somewhere between 120 – 200 folks. We’ll use the 150 “folks” number. That gets us an average take of about $2,250 per establishment. Of course this assumes no mark-up by the bar/establishment.

What is the gross revenue to the rights holder?

Given our numbers that would equate to $619,000 in gross revenue from US CC distribution. So TV networks passed for somewhere presumably above $600K? Well we can’t and shouldn’t surmise that. But we can say is that it is actually in MediaPro’s best interest to close a deal with a TV network so they don’t have to doll a piece of the pie out to Integrated Sports Media, who is handling the promotion, operations, and sales of the event, nor worry about unknown risks (political climate, major news event disruption, etc) heading up to the event.

So, what’s the conclusion?

Well unfortunately, TSG doesn’t have one here, but we wanted to present to you this picture. All things being equal you would have to assume that  it’s in the best interest of FIFA and USSF to have the game televised to the largest audience for the good of the sport. The interesting thing here is that no network picked this game up. What are the differences between this game and other away U.S. qualifiers?

Media Pro is the rights holder as oppose to Traffic Sports USA.

The game is arguably a slightly more valuable media asset. (Essentially the game to go for the U.S.)

This game falls on a Saturday during the height of college football season–the prime telecasts that are typically available in predominantly English speaking bars.

The glimmer of a political conflict–largely unquantifiable–that presents at least a little more risk in the equation.

In short, there is probably no business constituent to blame and no bad guy, just a series of economic variables with smart business folks on either side making smart decisions based upon the risk and the ROI (return on investment).

Again, per our comments  in our last piece, it’s hard to blame either side in this equation. It appears the only way to effect this situation going forward is for USSF and FIFA to realize that the broadcasting of their sport to the widest possible audience is in its best interest and to insure home coverage for an away team next time.

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USA vs. Honduras Viewing Locations

Banging on the it wont help either.

Banging on it won't help either.

If you’re looking for all TSG USMNT Honduras coverage, click here.

From 10/10: We are up to 37 locations broadcasting the game in English as of Friday morning.

From 10/02: We received an email from our contact at the rights holder who said that the list on CopaTVOnline represents only the English broadcasts and that they will be “updating the list on an on-going basis.” For Spanish viewing locations, and there are many, you can go to Circuitocerrado.tv.

(Here is the most current list of Spanish telecast carriers, pulled out from that web site)

The below is the revised list of confirmed establishments who have contracted for the English telecast:

  1. Chicago – Small Bar
    Location: 2049 West Division
    Yelp Rating: 4 Stars
    Pros: Great bar owner who is a passionate soccer fan, located in the Ukranian Village neighborhood

  2. San Diego – O’Brien’s Pub
    Location: 4646 Convoy St.
    Yelp Rating: 4 Stars
    Pros: It’s in San Diego!, Official US Soccer Bar, you will watch the game with Mark of TSG
    Cons: None – it’s in San Diego!
    Extras: Just had a conversation with Tom at O’Brien’s. He assured me it will be a 100% US crowd. The pub has 20 taps of local and craft beers, 120+ “fine bottled beers” (ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY!) and great “pub grub”. No cover, but a $15 food / drink min. (Alright, I’ll say it, I’m stoked to go there!)

  3. San Francisco – Danny Coyles
    Location: 668 Haight St.
    Yelp Rating: 3.5 Stars
    Pros: I hear the Bay Area is nice this time of year
    Cons: You will watch the game with Matthew of TSG (Can you guess which brother is writing this update?)
    Matt from TSG: As I posted in the comments, my buddy Matty King throws his holiday red-n-slutty party here each year and it’s a great time. Good beers on tap, just the right amount of darkness, good soccer crowd and HDTV. Love it.

  4. AlbanyWolff’s Biergarten
    Location: 895 Broadway (Yelp lists 885, but they are wrong)
    Yelp Rating: 4 Stars
    Pros: Upstate NY in the fall, 14 German, Czech and Belgian biers on tap including the Spaten Optimator (7.2% ABV)
    Cons: Looking at their website the place looks great, so I’ll go with…watching the game with a bunch of politicos from the New York State capital

  5. New York – Madison Square Garden, Play By Play Sports Bar
    Location: Four Pennsylvania Plaza
    Yelp Rating: 4 Stars (only one review)
    Pros: Located in the greatest city in history of the solar system (Matthew and I are from NY), has pictures of famous New York Knicks and Rangers (though hopefully not the one of MJ dunking on Patrick from the baseline)
    Cons: $20 ticketed event
    Extras: MSG is looking to make some money off this so they are billing it as a “Viewing Party” hosted by former Cosmos star Shep Messing

  6. Atlanta – Fado Irish Pub
    Location: 273 Buckhead Ave.
    Yelp Rating: 4 Stars

  7. Chicago – Fado Irish Pub
    Location: 100 West Grand Ave
    Yelp Rating: 4 Stars

  8. New York – Nevada Smith’s
    Location: 74 3rd Ave
    Yelp Rating: 4 Stars

  9. Columbus – Fado Irish Pub
    Location: 4022 Townsfair Way
    Yelp Rating: 3.5 Stars

  10. Denver – British Bulldog
    Location: 2052 Stout Street
    Yelp Rating: 4 Stars

  11. Seattle – Fado Irish Pub & Restaurant
    Location: 801 1st Ave.
    Yelp Rating: 3.5 Stars

  12. Austin – Fado Irish Pub
    Location: 214 W. 4th St.
    Yelp Rating: 3.5 Stars
    Matt from TSG: My favorite dive bar of all time is in Austin: The 04 Lounge. Good people, ridiculously cheap beer, great bartenders.

  13. Washington D.C. – Fado Irish Pub & Restaurant
    Location: 808 7th NW
    Yelp Rating: 3.5 Stars
    Matt from TSG: Been here to watch a Man U Champs match two years back. Narrow bar with odd TV locations, but good bar keep and staff. Get there early. Oh, if you’re looking for a good out of the way authentic Mexican dinner: Casa Oaxaca

  14. Foxborough (MA) – CBS Sports Scene
    Location: 200 Patriot Place
    Yelp Rating: 2.5 Stars
    Con: Located at the home of the Patsies and the BoSox

  15. Pittsburgh – Piper’s Pub (confirmed by reader Brian)
    Location: 1828 E. Carson St.
    Yelp Rating: 4 Stars

  16. Washington D.C. – Molly Malone’s (confirmed by reader J Love)
    Location: 713 8th St. SE
    Yelp Rating: 3 Stars
    Pro: Watch the game with the D.C. chapter of the American Outlaws

  17. Kansas City (MO) – The 810 Zone (confirmed by reader jbata)
    Location: 4684 Broadway
    Yelp Rating: 3 Stars

  18. Portland (OR) – Kell’s Irish Pub (confirmed by US Soccer)
    Location: 112 SW Second Ave
    Yelp Rating: 3.5 Stars
    Matt from TSG: Been here. Portlanders know that all P-Town bars have good beer. Decent enough place, centrally located. Head over to Clyde Common (just a few blocks away) afterward for good music, bourbon and eats selection.

  19. St. Paul (MN) – Sweetwater Grille & Bar (confirmed by US Soccer)
    Location: 161 St. Anthony Ave.
    Yelp Rating: Not Rated

  20. Chicago – The Globe (confirmed by US Soccer)
    Location: 1934 W. Irving Park Road
    Yelp Rating: 4 Stars

  21. Baltimore- Slainte Irish Pub
    Location: 1700 Thames St.
    Yelp Rating: 3.5 Stars

  22. Philadelphia – Tir Na Nog
    Location: 1600 Arch St.
    Yelp Rating: 3 Stars

  23. Arlington (VA) – Summers
    Location: 1520 North Courthouse Rd.
    Yelp Rating: 3 Stars

  24. Salt Lake City (UT) – G.O.A.L.S For Greatness Casino Night Fundraiser
    Location: Radisson Downtown, 215 West Temple
    About: G.O.A.L.S is a charitable organization that brings assistance and awareness to the men, women, and children of our community who face adverse medical or physical circumstances in their daily live. RSL and USMNTer Kyle Beckerman will be there in support.
    Purchase a ticket here ($50 for a good cause)
    Contact: Deb Harper: 801-750-4808 or here

  25. Carson (Los Angeles Area, CA) – American Outlaws, Los Angeles Chapter
    Location: Off Campus Pub (across from the HD Center), 18413 Avalon Blvd., Carson
    Time: 7pm
    Confirmed by: Dino1er
    About: Bring your scarf, bandanna, t-shirt, jersey and US flag!!! Under 21 are welcome but can’t drink alcohol. There’s a big screen TV available for us to use. Lets wear our red shirts or US kits….NO CLUB GEAR PLEASE!!!!
    Contact: (310) – 327 2971
    Extras: Check out Dino1er’s comment to read more about all that is included. (hint: tickets AND beer)

  26. Lincoln (NE) – Captain Jack’s
    Location: Captain Jack’s (across from the HD Center), 12th and P, Lincoln
    Confirmed by: Brunken
    About: Broadcasting in Lincoln, NE, only place in Nebraska, at Captain Jacks. $10 cover, raffle for new AO hoodie & a maybe a signed KC Jersey to help with Ridiculous cost of CCTV.

  27. Phoenix (AZ) – George & Dragon
    Location: George & Dragon4240 North Central Ave.
    Confirmed by: Tommy
    Contact: 602-241-0018

  28. Houston (TX) – Richmond Arms Pub – Official A.O. Houston Chapter location
    Location: Richmond Arms Pub 5920 Richmond Ave., Houston
    Confirmed by: Katy
    Price: $20
    Contact: Ph: 713.784.7722
    From Matt at TSG: Says they have karaoke, please send us a clip if anything transpires that is nationalistic or anything.

  29. Las Vegas (NV) – Crown & Anchor
    Location: 1350 East Tropicana Ave.
    Contact: Ph: 702.739.8676

  30. San Antonio (TX) – Lion & Rose
    Location: 5148 Broadway, San Antonio
    Contact: Ph: 210.878.0034

  31. Columbus (OH) – Claddagh Irish Pub
    Location: 585 South Front Street
    Yelp Rating: 4 Stars

  32. Santa Monica (Los Angeles, CA) – Cock N Bull Pub
    Location: 2947 Lincoln Blvd, Santa Monica
    Yelp Rating: 4 Stars
    Price: $15
    Matt from TSG: Been here, should be a good spot to watch the game though can get crowded and “bumpy” amongst the patrons.
    Extras: Cash ONLY

  33. Frisco (TX) – Pizza Hut Park
    Location: Stadium Club @ 6000 Main St
    Price: FREE
    Extras: Confirmed by Sam’s Army – Dallas on Twitter (Why isn’t every MLS club doing this?…great opportunity to recruit fans)

  34. Indianapolis (IN) – Chathan Tap
    Location: 719 Massachussetts Ave, Indianapolis
    Yelp Rating: 4 Stars

  35. Charlotte (NC) – Connolly’s – Queen City Outlaws (AO – Charlotte)
    Location: 115 East 5th St.
    Confirmed by: Ian and US Soccer
    About: The Queen City Outlaws (American Outlaws Charlotte Chapter) will be gathering there now?
    Yelp Rating: 3 Stars

  36. Tampa (FL) – MacDintons
    Location: 405 South Howard Avenue
    Yelp Rating: 4 Stars

  37. Philadelphia (PA) – Fado Irish Pub
    Location: 1500 Locust St.
    Yelp Rating: 3.5 Stars

Let us know of any others in the comments or via email (shinguardian[at]gmail.com)

Of course you could always make the trip to…

San Pedro Sula – Estadio Olimpico Metropolitano
Location: Honduras
Yelp Rating: Not Rated
Pros: You get to be in the stands to cheer on the USMNT in what could be the game that clinches their spot in SA
Cons: That whole political unrest thing, no direct flights (for now)

It’s U.S.A vs. Honduras…At a Bar Near You!

To see the current, but growing list of English-broadcast view locations click here.

This is Part 2 (and maybe the final one) to our Part 1 on USA-Honduras WCQ TV Rights.

Well, we’re still digging over here at TSG. We’ll keep digging up until 10/10. Then we’ll take a vacation to the Kandui Island.

How deep have we dug? At this point, we’re looking through binoculars now, although we have not adjusted the focus and the view is still a little fuzzy. That’s where we are.

US fans are getting the rough treat from Honduras as well.

US fans are getting rougher treatment than Rogers just trying to watch the game.

TSG had a few follow-ups this week with Media World, the company that is handling Media World’s close circuit distribution, a USMNT-devoted bar owner, and Traffic Sports USA.

Today’s conversation with the Vice President of Traffic Sports USA Enrique Sanz de Santamaria was by far the most illuminating from a background perspective. Sanz de Santamaria is responsible for TV Rights for Traffic Sports USA and is based out of Miami. Traffic Sports USA handles most of the broadcast rights distribution for games from Central and South America.

Every USMNT fan should remember that (“very long”) name above because Sanz had really no vested interest in speaking with TSG and if he is/was misquoted stands to lose more, yet he took the time to carefully lay out the landscape of broadcast rights management in the region, provide us some hypotheticals and, in general, educate TSG.

And an additional note on Traffic Sports USA, all those away 2010 US WCQ games that you’ve seen on ESPN was the results of deals through Traffic Sports.

A big thank you to Mr. Sanz from TSG and our readers.

Here’s what we learned that we didn’t know:

• Each National Federation controls the rights of their home games but all of them are under CONCACAF and FIFA.

• Traffic Sports USA had a legal dispute with the Honduras Federation over who had the rights to broadcast the game. A court ruling gave the Honduras Federation the right to keep the contract they have with Media World.

Now for the good stuff:

• It seems close circuit distribution is still a viable way to make good money on a TV broadcast, specifically when you analyze the number of Hondurans in the United States, the per establishment rate for a game, and the Hondurans passions for their country sport. (I would love some feedback from a bar whose primary demographic is Hondurans–it would be valuable to this story I believe)

• Residential PPV is actually a new model for distributing these games. Hence, our suggestion earlier this week that the game be made available via residential pay per view now comes at a discount, because the economics are not tried, tested and true. It’s more of a risk for the rights holder.

• Finally, Sanz surmises (and I must highlight surmises) that negotiations at this point between MediaPro and the TV Networks, given the close circuit efforts to date and the timing until the broadcast, are likely over. The past statement is, at best, a guess (though from someone who has been there) and should be received as such.

Take a good look at Estadio Olympica. Next time you'll see it is at a bar.

Take a good look at Estadio Olympica. Next time you'll see it is at a bar.

So where does that leave the USMNT fan? Probably at their local pub. Where does that leave the average under-21 fan who FIFA and should care about? SOL.

Thankfully, there are bar owners like Phil McFarland, who owns the Small Bar on Division Street in Chicago and is a very passionate supporter of the Yanks.

In our first plug since the Free Benny t-shirt endeavor, we’re promoting Phil’s bar for our Chicago readers come 10/10.

No, we don’t get a kickback, but you get to visit a bar where the owner is passionate about U.S. soccer, where the owner is attentive to his patronage’s affinity enough to seek out how to get the game, and perhaps more incredibly,  a bar where you get Ommegang (Cooperstown, NY!), North Coast (a favorite brewer of mine) and Bitburger on tap. I don’t know if there are cakes in the urinals, but everything else sounds grand.

Back to our story, Phil was helpful in letting us know that typical close circuit sports feeds go for anywhere between $250 – $1000 for his establishment. Feeds are sometimes charged by occupancy rate so the actual fee can vary.

The fee for the U.S. Honduras game for Phil’s bar: $1020.

Additionally, as Phil pointed out, it’s the big fighting matches–which are heavily promoted in advance by the contenders–that fetch the top dollars. Certainly not a U.S.-Honduras game getting sporadic press with a smaller fanbase in the U.S.

In Phil’s own words:

“We don’t ever do PPV anything. But that’s more than big boxing events, which are usually really hyped in the media before hand. Really too bad, not a great time for restricted access to USMNT…

We’ll pay it and try to charge a cover to recoup. Def a crap shoot.”

Thanks for taking the risk on your side Phil. If we were Windy City folk, I’d get there early and run up a huge Hennepin tab.

So it would seem there is a premium being put on this game and if bars/establishments are willing to pay the top dollar and MediaPro can make back their investment and then some, it would be logical for them to go the close circuit route.

What do fans do with their angst then? Sadly, or thankfully, however you look at it, since this is unique to WCQ events, it is probably the last time through 2010 that USMNT games will be confronted with this unique situation.

The L.A. Times reported yesterday of an upcoming friendly for the U.S. team in the Netherlands (we knew our Heitinga comments would come to pass!) in March of next year. U.S. Soccer should be able to have a say in how broadcast rights are distributed in this one.

So the best bet is if your 21, head to your local bar.

If you’re under 21, fly out to San Francisco and we’ll sneak you in somewhere.

How about preventing this for next time? Well, in four years, maybe everyone will forget these broadcast issues. But I’m going to put this on U.S. Soccer to educate and keep the populace informed in advance of how broadcast rights are doled out.

Why? It seem to me that a Honduras game against say…Lichtenstein (no offense) would be less of a draw than against the United States.

So, while it probably won’t come to pass that FIFA will change their “your house, your rules” decisioning in broadcast rights–by mandating anything that is restrictive at all, FIFA would compromise the leverage of the broadcast negotiations and essentially everyone would lose–big nations (Italy, U.S., England, Brazil) are the only ones that could push FIFA to do anything differently.

That being said, the U.S. might compromise revenues from their games, which arguably fetch a higher dollar, than said Lichtenstein so the U.S. might lose as well.

A convoluted situation all around.

We’ve reached out again to CONCACAF, FIFA, and asked U.S. Soccer for any additional comment. We’ll post those if or when they come in.

Oh and one more note, I noted this article where Traffic Sports USA made the game available via PPV. It appeared to me that CONCACAF president and FIFA Vice President Jack Warner, a Trinidadian, stepped in made sure the game would be available to the T&T demographic in the U.S. via pay-per-view. So it appears there’s a precedent of FIFA officials stepping in…but maybe only when it matters to them individually.

BAR OWNERS: If you’re a bar owner showing the USA-Honduras soccer match, send us an email at shinguardian@gmail.com and we’ll add you to our “bar roll” on the right sidebar.

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