2006 All Over Again? *Disclaimer…

It’s only appropriate as a US publication to get the sensationalism and doubt growing on Wayne Rooney fitness concerns in 2010.

Sorry Lions fans...just poking a little fun...

We saw this story developing over the weekend. You could also say that Rooney has been un-Messi-like over the past two games.

Just how bad is this Wayne Rooney injury news. You think over in the London fog they are starting to worry about this…or more importantly up in the territory once known as Ronaldoville?

Will Carlton Cole be ready?

Will Darren Bent start twittering for his inclusion?

Have we made too much of this story….not nearly for a fun Tuesday.


In other news England fans, Charlie Davies is running 4 miles a day and working on the balance ball and Jozy Altidore looks set to return from a bad hammy sandwich. (updated link)

41 responses to this post.

  1. Posted by GeorgeCross on 2010/03/23 at 7:31 AM

    Matthew, you are cruel!


    • Posted by matthewsf on 2010/03/23 at 10:02 AM

      *Fixed the link*

      George: It’s only a matter of time before they’re calling Rooney the next Michael Owen. SHAZAM!
      Not that’s cruel!


      • Posted by GeorgeCross on 2010/03/23 at 1:10 PM

        And they’ll be calling Davies the next Adu!


        • Hey now. Watch your mouth.


        • Posted by KMac on 2010/03/23 at 5:08 PM

          I *USED* to like you George… I still like Rooney, and wish him nothing but the best.
          I personally hope both sides play the cup at full strength. After the injury rollercoaster we US have been on, I will always feel compassion for a great player who is injured.

          Plus, Chuck D is more like the 6 Million Dollar Man than Freddy.


        • Posted by GeorgeCross on 2010/03/23 at 5:47 PM

          Lee Majors was over rated too, KMac!


        • Posted by Antonio H. on 2010/03/23 at 10:04 PM

          Lee Majors didn’t actually exist. . .


  2. I think the Jozy link needs correcting, both go to same Rooney article.


  3. Cheers! When I asked my English friend who he thought would win the Cup, back in 2009, he confidently told me “England, of course.”

    I proceeded to laugh.

    “With who as your striker? Micheal Owen?”

    He then let out a belly laugh that implied he knew something I didn’t, and said “No, Wayne Rooney!”

    Then, I was the one laughing, “He can’t stay on the pitch! Between his red cards for acting like a baby and his feathery knees and ankles, the guy certainly won’t be playing all the minutes for England.”

    Glad I had the last laugh…


    • Posted by GeorgeCross on 2010/03/23 at 1:08 PM

      Not so fast – on Saturday, 12 June at around 16:30 EST we shall see who has the last laugh…


      • Posted by matthewsf on 2010/03/23 at 1:10 PM

        That is very true GeorgeCross …and thank you for being a good sport.

        What’s the line on the game…I need to do another odds column….


        • Posted by GeorgeCross on 2010/03/23 at 1:17 PM

          Matthew: On average, England are 4/9 to win, draw is 13/5 and USA to win is 11/2.


          • Posted by matthewsf on 2010/03/23 at 1:20 PM

            I disagree with the draw, but everything else seems right….

            We’ve got to figure out good game/competition for the World Cup over here.


            • Posted by Kevin on 2010/03/23 at 4:10 PM

              I didn’t understand the numbers though. What did the first and second numbers represent? 4/9?

            • Posted by GeorgeCross on 2010/03/23 at 5:42 PM

              For every 9 pounds (or dollars) you bet, you get 4 back. Basically it is (deemed to be) less ‘risky’ therefore the return is less. Whereas with the US, every 2 pounds (or dollars) you put on, you get 15 back – if they win.

        • Posted by i like tuesday on 2010/03/23 at 7:22 PM

          George, you also know the odds for England are always a bit out of wack come Big Cup time. Every punter in England bets on England so the bookies have to minimize losses if they actually do win.


        • Posted by GeorgeCross on 2010/03/23 at 7:51 PM

          But England are overhyped and choke, remember?! The bookies will be coining it in…


        • A little inside knowledge of the industry here, so I will say the bookies are well aware of the downside risk if England fail to choke and actually go on and win something. They want to stay in business, so the odds trend quite a bit tighter than they would be if there wasn’t so much money being put down on England to win by the English punters. In this way the odds reflect the wisdom of the crowd and the crowd is mostly English. Meanwhile, despite Barney Frank’s heroic efforts, we yanks are banned from a flutter on the internet unless we have access to an account based abroad.

          Keep in mind, the bookies odds are not pure probabilities, there’s a huge financial component which is more a maximization question.


          • Posted by matthewsf on 2010/03/24 at 7:18 AM

            Hey tuesday. Off topic but ussf confirms that 23 man roster has to come from provisional roster.


            • Confused. Why do the Regulations posted by FIFA on their World Cup website explicitly state the opposite? Does somebody over their have reading comprehension problems or is there another document that I don’t have access to?

            • Funny how things always get misspelled when you’re criticizing other people grasp on the English language…

            • Posted by matthewsf on 2010/03/24 at 9:51 AM

              I believe the new one is not up yet…awaiting more word from USSF.

      • If Rooney’s old-woman-knees can hold out until then. I mean, there’s only, what, 6 Champions League matches, 7 EPL matches… but thats it. Oh, wait, then there’s the Club World Cup… hmm… and friendlies…. hm…

        Rooney’s suffering from Garnett-syndrome: turning pro at a young age has it’s disadvantages. You start the wear-and-tear on your body much sooner than guys who gradually build up their strength (that’s muscle strength AND bone strength).

        Yes, we will see.


        • Posted by GeorgeCross on 2010/03/23 at 1:18 PM

          Then the same logic can be applied to Messi and Ronaldo…


        • Posted by Peter on 2010/03/23 at 2:56 PM

          Garnet’s got 10 years on Rooney. I think we can hold off on that comparison.


        • @peter: How many years?

          Rooney signed with Everton when he was 11.

          He’s 24 now, that’s 13 years as a pro.

          Garnett went pro at 19, and he’s 33 now.

          That’s 14 years as a pro.

          Scared yet?


        • Posted by GeorgeCross on 2010/03/23 at 5:51 PM

          Um, you cannot sign a professional contract in England until your 17th birthday. He might’ve been on Everton’s books as a schoolboy, but that’s hardly the same thing.

          Giggs turned professional at 17 and look at him?


        • Yeah, look at him. Fit as a fiddle. But not Rooney. It’s because people slide tackle him every chance they get; the nature of the game.

          Just like a guard is less likely to get lots of contact versus a power forward or center in basketball. Very different positions.

          Of course Rooney has a lot left in the tank. But I think this year he’s peaked. The only time he gets a break is when he’s injured. Too much depends on him and he’s used so often, it’s hard to see how he’ll go into the WC without some knocks.


        • Posted by GeorgeCross on 2010/03/24 at 8:45 AM

          With all due respect, I think that Rooney peaking at 24 is a load of bollocks. He’s taken a knock, it’s not a big deal, it’s part and parcel of football. He will be fine for the WC. With Giggs, because of his age, he gets used wisely by SAF. But when he was 24, he was in the team every game when fit. And your comment about dependency is common with most key players – that’s why they are deemed as such…


          • Posted by matthewsf on 2010/03/24 at 9:31 AM

            I would have said Rooney peaked two years ago…until his form rocketed over the past year.

            My contention then was that Rooney–a physical player–was succumbing to the trend in the EPL for bigger fullbacks. Well, I wish I could take that back.

            I do think a player who plays like Rooney–and for what Manchester United require from him in nearly game–will wear down.

            I do think we are seeing that now…but peaking? I don’t think so…

            It would be interesting to see Rooney on a bottom-half-of-the table team to see how we would do with less service and complete focus of the other team’s defense.


            • Posted by GeorgeCross on 2010/03/24 at 10:26 AM

              Players’ form dip here and there – it’s almost impossible to play at such a high level throughout a whole season. He has been getting better and better – a lot of it being the intangibles such as intelligence and decision making that come with experience, rather than raw talent. Each player has a “natural life cycle” and they adapt their game as they get OLD(er), lose a yard or whatever but that doesn’t mean that they’re past their peak at 24.

              Look at the career of (probably) the best player in modern history, and plot his form and progress against his age… I’m talking about Zidane of course (but not implying Rooney’s at his level).

  4. I dropped Rooney as my fantasy captain just in time😉 Good news on Jozy, though that link seems to go to the same article on Rooney?


  5. Posted by kaya on 2010/03/23 at 2:48 PM

    At least it’s not his metatarsal😉


  6. Posted by Kevin on 2010/03/23 at 8:45 PM

    Ok thanks because I was lost.


  7. Ok, admittedly it is not accurate downright foolish to say Rooney is on the decline. In all honesty, when it comes to US opponents, I purposely take the extreme offensive and downplay the importance of whatever is deemed important to the opposition. With that in mind, loosing Becks will cripple the psyche of the Three Lions and Rooney won’t make it past the end of the EPL season and will not even see the pitch this summer in South Africa.

    But my point still remains, the guy has been at it a long time for someone at his age. He’s been plying his trade at the highest levels available to him since he was barely double digits in age. That takes a toll and to say it’s not is even more foolish than my fanatical statements.


    • Posted by GeorgeCross on 2010/03/24 at 10:49 AM

      “He’s been plying his trade at the highest levels available to him since he was barely double digits in age”… That’s a massive U-turn from “he’s 24 now, that’s 13 years as a pro”

      He’s human, of course there is the chance of burnout – but the same can be said of a lot of the players in the EPL, not just Rooney. Most players who reach the top (at any sport) were playing at the “highest levels available” to them at a schoolboy age. The amount of conditioning work these pros do these day and the sport science at top top clubs like United is unbelieveable.

      Football is a (contact) sport, so there is always a risk of injury. Just ask Onyewu and Dempsey – and be careful what you wish for – karma’s a bitch!!


      • Posted by GeorgeCross on 2010/03/24 at 10:52 AM

        And Beckham’s injury is not a major impact – sure he could still come on as sub, but he was never going to start a game, so your comment about “crippling the psyche of the Three Lions” is foolish!


        • George, it was meant to be foolish.

          Re: “I purposely take the extreme offensive and downplay the importance of whatever is deemed important to the opposition.”

          It’s really just to get the Brits all fired up…


          All in good fun brother!


        • Posted by GeorgeCross on 2010/03/24 at 11:19 AM

          Not fired up at all John, I just like to give as good as I get!


        • I expect nothing less. Cheers!


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