Posted 2012/02/09 by matthewsf in Uncategorized. 42 Comments
Posted by GeorgeCross on 2012/02/09 at 7:49 AM
Do you have more information regarding TV rights in the different leagues? For example, I know for a fact that the PL (presently) has a collective agreement, whereas in Spain each club is free to sell their own rights – which basically means only Barcelona and Real Madrid enjoy a lot money.
And what about costs, such as interest payments?
I was reading an article about Bayern Munich and the other Bundesliga clubs. They are basically the only club in Germany with a global reach, therefore enjoy the sponsorships of the bigger blue chip companies
Posted by Bode on 2012/02/09 at 8:48 AM
This article by the excellent Swiss Ramble discusses different tv deals among the top 5 leagues: http://swissramble.blogspot.com/2011/10/revolution-will-be-televised.html?utm_source=BP_recent
Posted by GeorgeCross on 2012/02/11 at 6:21 AM
Love the Herbie Hancock reference!
Posted by kaya on 2012/02/09 at 2:07 PM
I forgot where I saw another article, a couple months ago, saying even the boards at Barca and Real agree that collective bargaining for La Liga tv rights is in the near future.
Posted by dth on 2012/02/09 at 3:41 PM
I think that’s mostly accurate, with some complicating. VfL Wolfsburg is basically owned by Volkswagen and Bayer Leverkusen has a strong relationship with Bayer, so money-wise they’re in quite good shape. In general, I think sponsorship and ticket revenues are strong–it’s TV revenues where the Bundesliga falls behind, which is unfortunate: the league is very entertaining to watch and follow.
Posted by GeorgeCross on 2012/02/11 at 6:18 AM
Re. ownership, isn’t there the “50 + 1” rule in the Bundesliga? I think the only exceptions is when an interested party has at least a 20 year local history / relationship with the region, hence Wolfsburg / Volkswagen and Bayer Leverkusen / Bayer. This effectively stops FDI via petrodollars, right?
This might not mean much to the average US soccer fan, but I am sure it’s welcomed by the locals – I bet there are many Arsenal, Chelsea and Man Utd fans out there who have been priced out of the market during the yuppification era.
Posted by dth on 2012/02/11 at 6:32 AM
That’s exactly correct. Sometimes you do see some foreigners invest a lot of money in a club–for example, 1860 Munich–but in general German soccer is very well managed financially.
Posted by matthewsf on 2012/02/09 at 10:13 AM
More info here as well: http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2012/02/09/the-worlds-biggest-soccer-teams/
Posted by SamT on 2012/02/09 at 11:48 AM
I’m with George. Would be very interested to know costs. Not just interest payments but payroll costs for all those stars, stadium operating costs, etc. Revenue is nice, but the bottom line is the bottom line.
Often difficult to get profit information on privately-owned enterprises. I’m sure no different in this industry as well.
Posted by ajs93 on 2012/02/09 at 12:04 PM
What is most interesting about this post is that in the infographic, the figure for Real Madric points to the location of Barcelona.
Posted by GeorgeCross on 2012/02/09 at 1:12 PM
I must admit I too noticed that, as well as Bayern Munich no where near the Bavarian state…
Posted by joeboo on 2012/02/09 at 2:04 PM
It’s even stranger because the other three are correct.
Posted by Don Garber on 2012/02/10 at 1:44 PM
I thought that was a speck on my screen, but i took out the magnifying glass and saw “MLS” in teenie-weening lettters.
Posted by Don Garber on 2012/02/10 at 1:48 PM
We’re a crumb on the footballing pie, but we’re doign things to get us to a bit-sized piece . . . . . . wait, i’m thinking . . . . um, ah . . . . New York Cosmos! The heritage of Pele. Salary caps, out of synch schedule, and paying big dollars for 36-year olds is part of our growth plan. Just you wait and see . . . .
Posted by dth on 2012/02/10 at 7:47 PM
OT, but Jesse Marsch is apparently putting Wenger at forward: http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2012/02/10/impacts-wenger-finds-home-forward-%E2%80%93-now
For me, at least, Marsch has got a lot of convincing to do. Wouldn’t be surprised if he gets fired in 2013.
Posted by Antonio H. on 2012/02/11 at 5:46 AM
Luis Suarez needs to grow up
Posted by Jared on 2012/02/11 at 6:34 AM
He’s truly an embarrassment to Liverpool at this point. He was lucky not to get a yellow for kicking the ball away/smashing it toward the crowd at halftime.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they sell him in the summer. At some point the headache isn’t worth it anymore.
Posted by dth on 2012/02/11 at 6:46 AM
Not with buys like Stuart Downing and Andy Carroll polluting their roster.
Posted by GeorgeCross on 2012/02/11 at 6:54 AM
I wonder what Liverpool fans must be thinking; a coupe of years a go they had Javier Mascherano and Xavi Alonso, now they have Jordan Henderson and Jay Spearing!
I am all or English / British talent, *but* only if they’re good enough.
Posted by dth on 2012/02/11 at 7:00 AM
Henderson is someone I could see maturing into a good player ; Spearing could be useful depth (particularly since he’s an academy player). It’s Downing and Carroll that really get me–especially in a game like this. Who’s Downing going to hit crosses to? Suarez? Complete waste of both players.
Posted by GeorgeCross on 2012/02/11 at 7:16 AM
Five years ago, when Downing was at Boro, I thought he was a real prospect. But not sure whether it’s the weight of expectation and pressure at Liverpool, but he’s been so inconsistent, I’m not quite sure why he keeps getting picked – especially against United away.
Henderson reminds me a little of Huddleston at Spurs with his technical abilty, but lack of mobility.
Posted by KickinNames... on 2012/02/11 at 9:31 AM
chelsea, as constituted, are one of the least likeable and technically horrid squads IMO. Supported them since Frank arrived in the late 90’s on but cannot even stomach watching this mess. Not only poor team construction but just a pack of jackasses. Ashley Cole, Terry, Meireles (of the 80 high school mohawk! seriously) and please what the hell is David Luis doing plugged into an automatic starting gig. Torres thinks he’s now a #9 playing behind the strikers….except he’s the striker!
Frank just looks old and tired and some clown name Straquolursi just ripped them open. (donovan with the sweet outside of the foot dish) .
And Cole is on the ground with menstrual cramps..p—-!
Down with abramvich
Posted by Sean Tuxill (@thebostinian) on 2012/02/11 at 9:48 AM
I’m not one for drinking early in the morning, but if I’d had liquor in the house, it’d have been gone midway through the second half.
Posted by GeorgeCross on 2012/02/11 at 7:20 AM
Will we see Cleverly come on for 10 minutes?
Posted by GeorgeCross on 2012/02/13 at 5:09 PM
I see Daniel Potts has been called up to the England U18s:
Posted by GeorgeCross on 2012/02/13 at 6:17 PM
I see Glasgow Rangers are about to enter Administration, maybe worse. What will that mean for Bocanegra, Edu and Bedoya? Especially with WCQ this summer.
Posted by dth on 2012/02/13 at 6:54 PM
Dunno, but it certainly doesn’t make their decision to go there any more wise. Miserable league, quality-wise. Apparently there was some transfer buzz over Edu this winter; if he’s smart, he’ll motor out of there right quick.
Posted by dth on 2012/02/13 at 7:09 PM
This would be a pretty remarkable move for Spurs to make: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/feb/13/tottenham-arsenal-chelsea-eden-hazard
Changing of the guard?
Posted by GeorgeCross on 2012/02/13 at 8:39 PM
It is the sort of player that Spurs had trouble attracting as soon as the “big” clubs competed for the same player. I think the only stumbling block will be wages.
Belgium has a core of some really good players; how aren’t they doing better? Scifo must be scratching his head.
Posted by dth on 2012/02/13 at 9:32 PM
I think the reasons are:
1) they are young
2) they’re pretty fractious
3) there have been suggestions they aren’t particularly well-managed
4) at least for euro 2012 qualifying–insofar as it’s possible, they got a Group of Death in qualifying. Germany/Austria/Turkey/Belgium means three teams competing for one spot (and a playoff spot, at that).
Posted by Andy on 2012/02/14 at 3:28 PM
The craziest thing to me is to see the amount of success Arsenal have had over the years with the amount of money they spend. They’ve spent around the likes of Blackburn yet they are one of the big 4 not fighting a relegation battle.
Posted by dikranovich on 2012/02/15 at 1:18 AM
actually andy, arsenal have a pretty big wage bill. the pay an average weekly salary of 55,000 pounds. liverpool pay 57,000. man united pay 60,000, and chelsea are tops at 71 k per week. just as an example, blackburn payed el haji diouf 35k a week last season and you have to know he is not on the low end of blackburns wage structure.
Posted by GeorgeCross on 2012/02/15 at 5:33 AM
The point is, Arsenal and Tottenham couldn’t afford a difference maker like Rooney’s or Sniejdner’s wage, and are effectively priced out when competing for these types of (established) players.
Didn’t Kuper write something in the FT about a +90% correlation between wage bill and league position?
Posted by dth on 2012/02/15 at 9:54 AM
Don’t know about sources, but Arsenal pay more than its peers for youth players.
Posted by dth on 2012/02/14 at 10:02 PM
Since this seems to be the OT thread: Impact sign their DP. Who’s (predictably) a defender. They’re going to trade Brian Ching.
Jesse Marsch’s ideal scoreline this year: 0 to -1.
Posted by dikranovich on 2012/02/15 at 9:13 AM
for as globally rich as VISA is, you might think they would come up with a better idea than to send the whole aston villa coaching staff to the suburbs of cleveland ohio, to see how the perennial cellar dwellars, the cleveland browns do things. alex mcleish is scottish, so it will be cold and it sounds like its going to be one big booze fest up on the city by the lake.
Posted by dth on 2012/02/15 at 1:01 PM
So. Rosicky. Why? Is he Arsene Wengerese for “Gareth Barry”?
And what’s up with those horrid yellow uniforms?
Posted by dth on 2012/02/15 at 3:27 PM
Speaking of mysterious Arsenal projects: Alex Song. Why? What if you had used those Fabregas millions on Arturo Vidal last summer? Willing, available, etc.
Posted by GeorgeCross on 2012/02/16 at 11:31 AM
Although injured now, he did have Frimpong waiting in the wings. How much did Juve (?) buy him for?
But agree 100% re. Rosicky. And Arshavin. And Chamakh. And Squillaci. And Fabianski. None of these players would have a hope in hell getting into the 1998 team, quite possibly the best Arsenal side under Wenger. That is what they need to strive for.
I would like to know how much transfer budget he really has. Szczesny needs to be loaned out. Clearly cannot handle the big occasion
Posted by dth on 2012/02/16 at 12:26 PM
He gave an unclear quote to L’Equipe in which he says the goal is deliver a 20-30 million (pound) profit every clear. It’s unclear whether he meant an operating profit before interest payments, or whether he meant actual profit delivered to the partners.
re: Vidal: he was bought for 11 million euros, IIRC. Exchange rate at the time meant around 8 million pounds (I believe).
Posted by dikranovich on 2012/02/15 at 1:38 PM
as poor as arsenal have looked in the first half, which i guess means to say they lack any ideas, but its 2-nil and if they can ping a goal back and take it into london 2-1, then there would still be hope. this game smells of an henry special and for gods sake, get that oxy cleaner chamberlain in there in the second half.
rosucky, how the hell did the usa let this guy score against us?
Posted by dikranovich on 2012/02/15 at 2:15 PM
scratch that, robinho makes it 3 nothing and that second leg ticket is looking like it will be a good bargin for anyone that would like to say they have been to knockout stages of the champions league.
arsenal really want to be out of the champions league anyway, so they can focus on english league play and qualifing for next year. the italians really understand defense better than anyone. if anyone can beat barcelona, ac milan is in that group.
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